top 10 players of the 90s

[plowking]

nobody is talking about careers here, i'm talking about impact during this decade - which lebron clearly has the advantage over wade

Of course he does, with his 0 titles.

He clearly has dominated this era with winning absolutely nothing.

[Shep]

Of course he does, with his 0 titles.

He clearly has dominated this era with winning absolutely nothing.

yes, because 1 title automatically makes him the better player . wade's had 2 legendary seasons, besides this he is trash compared with lebron.

[plowking]

yes, because 1 title automatically makes him the better player . wade's had 2 legendary seasons, besides this he is trash compared with lebron.

Yes, you are completely right. He was trash in his other two seasons.
Funny, if Wade is trash and he was able to win a title, what does that make Lebron, who is incapable of winning one?

You'd think being the more dominant player he'd be able to lead his team to victory in the finals.

[Shep]

Yes, you are completely right. He was trash in his other two seasons.

trash compared with 4 legendary lebron seasons. trash when you look at how many games he missed and his teams records.

Funny, if Wade is trash and he was able to win a title, what does that make Lebron, who is incapable of winning one?

this statement is trash. i said wade had trash seasons other than his two legendary seasons ('05, '06), when comparing them to lebron's 4 legendary seasons.

You'd think being the more dominant player he'd be able to lead his team to victory in the finals.

when your second best player averaged 1 point and your third best player averages less than 8 you have no chance of winning in the finals

[plowking]

trash compared with 4 legendary lebron seasons. trash when you look at how many games he missed and his teams records.

this statement is trash. i said wade had trash seasons other than his two legendary seasons ('05, '06), when comparing them to lebron's 4 legendary seasons.

when your second best player averaged 1 point and your third best player averages less than 8 you have no chance of winning in the finals

What about your supposed star averaging 6 turnovers? Only 22 ppg on 35.5%?

Lebrons Finals appearance is not even good enough to be called trash compared to Wade's finals appearance.

Wade is a better player in the playoffs.

[Mr. Bryant]

all i have to say on the matter is that the only real knock on wade thus far is the fact that his team won 15 games last year....


but other than that I don't really care who is better....

they both beast in the NBA

15 wins is beasting now?

[Shep]

What about your supposed star averaging 6 turnovers? Only 22 ppg on 35.5%?

with your second and third best scorers combining for 9 points per game you obviously are not getting the help you need to be successful, and you'd naturally try to do too much, add this to the fact that the spurs concentrated their entire defensive structure around stopping james due to the cavs having no other offensive options and the result is high turnovers and low shooting percentages. james also averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists per game that series.

Lebrons Finals appearance is not even good enough to be called trash compared to Wade's finals appearance.

if 22/7/7 isn't good enough to be called trash 99.99% of nba finals players weren't good enough to be called trash. yes wade had a fantastic finals, but that is six games, we are talking about a decade's worth of games here. if wade went to the finals every year and played every game this would be a worth while discussion, unfortunately he is nowhere near james in the context of a decades worth of play.

Wade is a better player in the playoffs.

[plowking]

with your second and third best scorers combining for 9 points per game you obviously are not getting the help you need to be successful, and you'd naturally try to do too much, add this to the fact that the spurs concentrated their entire defensive structure around stopping james due to the cavs having no other offensive options and the result is high turnovers and low shooting percentages. james also averaged 7 rebounds and 7 assists per game that series.

if 22/7/7 isn't good enough to be called trash 99.99% of nba finals players weren't good enough to be called trash. yes wade had a fantastic finals, but that is six games, we are talking about a decade's worth of games here. if wade went to the finals every year and played every game this would be a worth while discussion, unfortunately he is nowhere near james in the context of a decades worth of play.

Same can be applied to Wade last season. Where was his help? Shaq was no where to be seen. Neither were any of his teammates. There is always a double standard for Lebron. It can go his way, but never against him with you.

Furthermore last season, Wade was the only player the opposing team had to look after. So naturally Wade was getting double and on some occasions triple teamed forcing more turnovers.

[lilojmayo]

Kobe should be on this list

[Shep]

Same can be applied to Wade last season. Where was his help? Shaq was no where to be seen. Neither were any of his teammates. There is always a double standard for Lebron. It can go his way, but never against him with you.

did wade's next best two scorers combine for 8 points per game? marion averaged 14.3, o'neal 14.2, davis 13.8, and haslem 12. and this gets you 15 wins? pathetic.

Furthermore last season, Wade was the only player the opposing team had to look after. So naturally Wade was getting double and on some occasions triple teamed forcing more turnovers.

this is what james has had to put up with for his entire career thus far, and he's never averaged more than 3.5 turnovers per game in a season, let alone the pititful 4.4 that wade averaged last year.

[plowking]

did wade's next best two scorers combine for 8 points per game? marion averaged 14.3, o'neal 14.2, davis 13.8, and haslem 12. and this gets you 15 wins? pathetic.

this is what james has had to put up with for his entire career thus far, and he's never averaged more than 3.5 turnovers per game in a season, let alone the pititful 4.4 that wade averaged last year.

Drew Gooden averaged 13 points and Gibson added 11. You also had Pavlovic add 10ppg.


His entire career? Do you watch Clevland or Miami games?

[Shep]

Drew Gooden averaged 13 points and Gibson added 11. You also had Pavlovic add 10ppg.


His entire career? Do you watch Clevland or Miami games?

gooden and gibson weren't in their top 3 players. hughes and ilgauskas were and they combined for 8 points.

yes his entire career. do you watch any nba games?

[plowking]

gooden and gibson weren't in their top 3 players. hughes and ilgauskas were and they combined for 8 points.

yes his entire career. do you watch any nba games?

So now it matters where the points are coming from? Gooden was getting 13 off 50% shooting, unlike Lebron who was shooting at 36%.

You've watched his entire career, yet you say you are not a Clevland or Lebron fan?

[Shep]

So now it matters where the points are coming from?

yes. other players may score more but they won't have the same impact on opposition defenses that your second and third best players would if they were on their games

Gooden was getting 13 off 50% shooting, unlike Lebron who was shooting at 36%.

pathetic statement. wade was getting 4.4 turnovers per game last year, unlike ricky davis, who was getting only 2.3

You've watched his entire career, yet you say you are not a Clevland or Lebron fan?

this is correct

[plowking]

I wasn't saying Gooden was doing a better job then Lebron, yet you took it like that. I was just showing his production on the court.

Points are points. They have the same impact. The fact that your third and fourth options are scoring is a better sign. You expect your first and second options to improve normally during the series. Though Lebron wasn't able to step up.