Scottie Pippen > Dirk

[Donkey4trading]

Pippen is a top 5 perimeter defender of all time, a guy who can be counted on to stop the opposing teams best player, while also being able to dish out 6 assist, grab 7 rebounds and drop 20 points.

Pippen is a 10x all defensive player, was first team all defense from 92-99.. Dirk has never even made an all defensive 3rd team in his entire career..

Dirk does not impact the game as much as Pippen did, the only thing Dirk has over Pippen is scoring, but that gap isn't even close to evening out the impact the defense & playmaking differential between the two.

Pippen had years of 22/8/6 with 3 steals and a block per game on 50% shooting, a 22/8/7 with 3 steals and a block season, when has Dirk ever impacted the game in that many different ways?

In Pippens nba finals debut he put up 21/9/7 with 2.5 steals and a block per game on 45%..

Dirks nba finals debut.. 23/11/3 with .7 steals & .7 blocks on 39%

Pippen followed that up by dropping 21/8/8 with 2.5 steals and a block per game on 48% in his next finals.

Pippen was better at every single aspect of basketball by a large margin besides scoring..

Pippen only has one less all nba first team selections than Dirk also. So defensively Pippen is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk & while scoring wise Dirk has the edge it's close to being a wash when you consider that for a 6 to 7 year span Pippen was putting up 20ppg with 6-7 assist per game a night.

Overall, Pippen impacts the game more than Dirk.

[Nowitness]

Best player on a title team;

Pippen - 0

Dirk - 1

[Donkey4trading]

Best player on a title team;

Pippen - 0

Dirk - 1

Has Dirk ever shot above 41.6% in a finals series?

Has he ever impacted the game defensively like Pippen?

Has he ever been an all around machine who drops 21/8/8/3/1 on great effeciency in a finals series?

Dirk doesn't impact the game as much as Pippen did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen is a top 5 perimeter defender of all time, a guy who can be counted on to stop the opposing teams best player, while also being able to dish out 6 assist, grab 7 rebounds and drop 20 points.

Pippen is a 10x all defensive player, was first team all defense from 92-99.. Dirk has never even made an all defensive 3rd team in his entire career..

Dirk does not impact the game as much as Pippen did, the only thing Dirk has over Pippen is scoring, but that gap isn't even close to evening out the impact the defense & playmaking differential between the two.

Pippen had years of 22/8/6 with 3 steals and a block per game on 50% shooting, a 22/8/7 with 3 steals and a block season, when has Dirk ever impacted the game in that many different ways?

In Pippens nba finals debut he put up 21/9/7 with 2.5 steals and a block per game on 45%..

Dirks nba finals debut.. 23/11/3 with .7 steals & .7 blocks on 39%

Pippen followed that up by dropping 21/8/8 with 2.5 steals and a block per game on 48% in his next finals.

Pippen was better at every single aspect of basketball by a large margin besides scoring..

Pippen only has one less all nba first team selections than Dirk also. So defensively Pippen is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirk & while scoring wise Dirk has the edge it's close to being a wash when you consider that for a 6 to 7 year span Pippen was putting up 20ppg with 6-7 assist per game a night.

Overall, Pippen impacts the game more than Dirk.

Not even Jordan has done that

[Nowitness]

Has Dirk ever shot above 41.6% in a finals series?

Has he ever impacted the game defensively like Pippen?

Has he ever been an all around machine who drops 21/8/8/3/1 on great effeciency in a finals series?

Dirk doesn't impact the game as much as Pippen did.

Has Pippen ever been the best player on a title team?

[Donkey4trading]

Not even Jordan has done that

you know what I meant.

Dirk has never made an all defensive team.

[Donkey4trading]

Has Pippen ever been the best player on a title team?

Nope, still performed better in his first 2 finals than Dirk did his first 2 finals.

Now answer my questions or address something from my OP.

[G.O.A.T]

Dirk has never even made an all defensive 3rd team in his entire career..

No one has, it doesn't exist.

Overall, Pippen impacts the game more than Dirk.

On the whole you make a number of fair and good points to support your stance. But you are also under selling Dirk to make your point which is pretty obvious. Pippen has just more than half as many all-star and all-NBA selections as Dirk. Dirk also has the MVP in 2007 and the distinction of having been the best player on two finals teams, the 2011 NBA Champions and winning a Finals MVP, all things Pippen can not claim.

If players were evaluated by stats or how diverse and objectively measurable their impact was than your argument would be irrefutable, but as it is, there are two sides.

Pippen over Dirk or Dirk over Pippen are justifiable stances.

[Reggie43]

Peak for peak? Pippen easily.

[backb0ard]

If were comparing sidekicks, then I agree

Pippen>>>>Terry

[knickswoman]

offense>>defense. Defending is a dirty job. If you can play offense, then why still play defense. If you can be the CEO then why still be the janitor. Let others who has no jobs play that role because youre wasting your time doing low value/dirty work jobs. Theres a reason why you can get defenders in the 2nd round or undrafted.

[knickswoman]

That's why defense is for beta.

[Roundball_Rock]

They are close but Dirk was the better player although Pippen has a better overall resume if you factor in team success.

[SouBeachTalents]

That's why defense is for beta.

[Donkey4trading]

No one has, it doesn't exist.





On the whole you make a number of fair and good points to support your stance. But you are also under selling Dirk to make your point which is pretty obvious. Pippen has just more than half as many all-star and all-NBA selections as Dirk. Dirk also has the MVP in 2007 and the distinction of having been the best player on two finals teams, the 2011 NBA Champions and winning a Finals MVP, all things Pippen can not claim.

If players were evaluated by stats or how diverse and objectively measurable their impact was than your argument would be irrefutable, but as it is, there are two sides.

Pippen over Dirk or Dirk over Pippen are justifiable stances.

Dirk is a great player, no denying that. To your points though, yes Dirk won MVP in 07 but was he really the best player in the league or was the media holding a grudge against a certain somebody? For alot of people 07 is more infamous for being the year an 8th seeding beat the MVPS 1st seeded team in the playoffs.

In 06 Dirk & the Mavs had that epic finals collapse and Dirks play was underwhelming, 39% shooting is awwwful for a 7 footer that is only a great player because of what he does on offense.

2011 he played well and deservingly won FMVP but still only shot 41.6% as a 7 footer in the finals, but we all know what that finals is most famous for. I always felt like 2011 was a little flukey considering how hot seemingly the entire team got in the playoffs and because of Lebrons epic collapse, but maybe that's unfair to say.