LOL @ the 80's

[97 bulls]

I'm just saying 80's numbers are clearly inflated.

80s stats are a very inflated when comparing against the 90s and 00s. Thats why I hate to see people make comparisons of players from different eras based on stats. People need to make it relative. Its like money. Making 10 bucks an hour now is like making 15 bucks an hour in the 80s.

I always argue for scottie pippen being one of the greatest ever. But people always allude to him "only" scoring 22ppg as his career high. But they fail to mention that in the 80s. That 22 ppg is probably 25-26 ppg.

[ZOMG]

To anyone saying defense was better (or even equal) in the 80's than in the present day... WATCH THE GAMES. Forget nostalgia, forget hype, forget turf wars between stans of different eras... watch the games. Please.

You literally have to be retarded, blind or in the possession of a heavy agenda to not see that people were barely bending their knees when playing D in the 80's. 6'3'' shooting guards jogged undisturbed to the high post for jump shots and matador defense was the norm at the perimeter.

[Jacks3]

To anyone saying defense was better (or even equal) in the 80's than in the present day... WATCH THE GAMES. Forget nostalgia, forget hype, forget turf wars between stans of different eras... watch the games. Please.

You literally have to be retarded, blind or in the possession of a heavy agenda to not see that people were barely bending their knees when playing D in the 80's. 6'3'' shooting guards jogged undisturbed to the high post for jump shots and matador defense was the norm at the perimeter.

yeah, i was watching a 80's game and saw magic johnson get WIDE OPEN mid-range jumpers on like 5 straight possessions. do you EVER see that shit today? a spot-up mid-range shot? LOL

[97 bulls]

While its true that team defenses were less sophisticated in the 80's, its also true that players could make open jumpshots and free throws. Combine those 2 factors and you had more scoring. Also, players typically spent 3-4 years in college and were fundamentally sound coming into the league.

The And1 NBA where fundamentals went out the window was just a stain in Stern's shorts.

This isn't true. I remember them doing a study that showed that the jumshooters were no better in the 80s as opposed to the 90s. The reason why the league scoring was so high was because teams ran at every opportunity. Id be willing to bet that each player that got significant minutes got at least 2 or 3 layupsthat came from a fast break.

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[Nastradamus]

Why are people ripping this guy, it's true. Defense is at a whole new level and its done with skill, not brute physicality. This is not rugby, sorry folks. Also, the idea that fundamentals are gone is retarded. D is better as is long range shooting. People talk about the mid range jumper but its being hit at a higher rate today and also, its the most inefficient shot in all of basketball, so going away from it would not be a bad thing.

[Nastradamus]

80s stats are a very inflated when comparing against the 90s and 00s. Thats why I hate to see people make comparisons of players from different eras based on stats. People need to make it relative. Its like money. Making 10 bucks an hour now is like making 15 bucks an hour in the 80s.

I always argue for scottie pippen being one of the greatest ever. But people always allude to him "only" scoring 22ppg as his career high. But they fail to mention that in the 80s. That 22 ppg is probably 25-26 ppg.

Scottie played in the 90s, he wouldn't have scored more today unless MJ wasn't on his team.

[Willkill24]

Weak defense ?

[Hotlantadude81]

George Gervin

1979-80: 33.1 PTS (.528 FG%)
1981-82: 32.3 PTS (.500 FG%)

Adrian Dantley

1980-81: 30.7 PTS (.559 FG%)
1981-82: 30.3 PTS (.570 FG%)
1982-83: 30.7 PTS (.580 FG%)
1983-84: 30.6 PTS (.558 FG%)

Mark Aguire

1983-84: 29.5 PTS (.524 FG%)

Kiki Vandeseghe

1983-84: 29.4 PTS (.558 FG%)

Mark Aguire

1983-84: 29.5 PTS (.524 FG%)

Bernard King

1984-85: 32.9 PTS (.530 FG%)

Alex English

1985-86: 29.8 PTS (.504 FG%)
1986-87: 28.6 PTS (.503 FG%)

Larry Bird

1987-88: 29.9 PTS (.527 FG%)


... and there are tons of players who were in the 27-28 PTS range with very high FG%'s, they just weren't taking enough shots to get 30+.

Pathetic D.

You know what makes me laugh?
Teams USA's efforts the past 10 years.

[97 bulls]

Scottie played in the 90s, he wouldn't have scored more today unless MJ wasn't on his team.

Im talking about him in the 80s. Even with jordan he'd score about that much as his high. He would scored more today too seeing as how the league has opened up things for perimeter players. Maybe 24-25 ppg

[necya]

George Gervin

1979-80: 33.1 PTS (.528 FG%)
1981-82: 32.3 PTS (.500 FG%)

Adrian Dantley

1980-81: 30.7 PTS (.559 FG%)
1981-82: 30.3 PTS (.570 FG%)
1982-83: 30.7 PTS (.580 FG%)
1983-84: 30.6 PTS (.558 FG%)

Mark Aguire

1983-84: 29.5 PTS (.524 FG%)

Kiki Vandeseghe

1983-84: 29.4 PTS (.558 FG%)

Mark Aguire

1983-84: 29.5 PTS (.524 FG%)

Bernard King

1984-85: 32.9 PTS (.530 FG%)

Alex English

1985-86: 29.8 PTS (.504 FG%)
1986-87: 28.6 PTS (.503 FG%)

Larry Bird

1987-88: 29.9 PTS (.527 FG%)


... and there are tons of players who were in the 27-28 PTS range with very high FG%'s, they just weren't taking enough shots to get 30+.

Pathetic D.

you just find the stats and say hey it's pathetic.
"there were better scorer than my Kobe ? hell, no ! impossible !"

don't expect King or Dantley trying to force shots...why? cause it's stupid. kobe had often a worser FG% than his whole team because he has an horrible shooting selection.

then, if you have seen those guys, you will be jalous of the mid range of King (who didn't shoot the ball at the apogee, the result was that his shot was quick and always surprised defenders), the post game of Dantley.

you were born in 90 and you come here to tell us something you have never seen ?

in the 80's, it was all about team basketball, they use the dribble a lot better (i mean less dribbles) make more passes and tried to find good shots (open shots)
today kids like when kobe makes a 3 with a hand in his face, they say "wow he made a tough shot he is so good". but it's stupid to take so many contested shots.

if kobe was so good why he took so many 3pts shots and contested shots? that's why Wade's offense is better and more intelligent. he only takes open threes.
now you can see that kobe use to shoot the ball worser than his own team whereas king, dantley and the best scorer in the 80's brought a better FG% than their whole team. they were a reel "plus".
that's how you can judge a reel good scorer. he is more effective than his teammates.

Nique was great scorer if you only judge by his stats. but in fact he was kobe before him. he took too many tough shots and wasn't smart in his offensive decision.

and why you put dantley's 82-83 season? he was injured all season long !?

you are an idiot dude. thanks, but we knew that already.

[BlueandGold]

Its like money. Making 10 bucks an hour now is like making 15 bucks an hour in the 80s.

Are you retarded? The economy is way more inflated now than compared to even 25 years ago. In the 70s and 80s the dollar was way stronger than it is now. Going to movie cost like 2 or 3 dollars.

[Jacks3]

you just find the stats and say hey it's pathetic.
"there were better scorer than my Kobe ? hell, no ! impossible !"

don't expect King or Dantley trying to force shots...why? cause it's stupid. kobe had often a worser FG% than his whole team because he has an horrible shooting selection.

then, if you have seen those guys, you will be jalous of the mid range of King (who didn't shoot the ball at the apogee, the result was that his shot was quick and always surprised defenders), the post game of Dantley.

you were born in 90 and you come here to tell us something you have never seen ?

in the 80's, it was all about team basketball, they use the dribble a lot better (i mean less dribbles) make more passes and tried to find good shots (open shots)
today kids like when kobe makes a 3 with a hand in his face, they say "wow he made a tough shot he is so good". but it's stupid to take so many contested shots.

if kobe was so good why he took so many 3pts shots and contested shots? that's why Wade's offense is better and more intelligent. he only takes open threes.
now you can see that kobe use to shoot the ball worser than his own team whereas king, dantley and the best scorer in the 80's brought a better FG% than their whole team. they were a reel "plus".
that's how you can judge a reel good scorer. he is more effective than his teammates.

Nique was great scorer if you only judge by his stats. but in fact he was kobe before him. he took too many tough shots and wasn't smart in his offensive decision.

and why you put dantley's 82-83 season? he was injured all season long !?

you are an idiot dude. thanks, but we knew that already.

[creepingdeath]

Yea... but... still:

Jordan as a scorer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe as a scorer

U mad?

[HisJoeness]

OP's mother should have swallowed him when she had the chance.