Sanders with ridiculous lead in New Hampshire

[Dave3]

Right, that is the conventional wisdom. But it misses the point. If a guy like Bernie Sanders gets elected POTUS, it's because he riled a TON of people up and got them to start demanding worker-friendly legislation from their representatives. That's the only way things like this ever get done. The only thing politicians love more than money is the power their office embodies them with.

But yes, *IF* he were to get as far as being elected, it would take a minimum of 2 years to try and clean house in the midterms and get this plan off the ground.

I know ISH is overflowing with high rollers but I'd be curious to find out how many of you would honestly be losing money under this plan.

The interesting thing actually is that most of his voters are upper/middle class, and they stand to gain the least, or possibly even lose a little from his policies (other than the actual top 1%).

This country has such an amazing phenomenon where you have such a huge amount of people on both sides of the aisle vote against their interest. If I didn't know anything about this country other than the policies of the two political parties, I'd think the rich would vote Republican and the poor would vote Democrat. I guess I'd be wrong though.

[HitandRun Reggie]

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-o...y-state-2015-7

As of July 3rd.

That data is based on a poll, and most likely not very accurate. A lot of people don't want to tell a stranger they own a firearm.

For instance that poll says 14.4% of NH own guns and 35+% of Texans own guns. Yet in 2015, there were 10,000 NICS checks (background check prior to a firearms purchase) per 100000 residents in NH but only 6000 per 100k in Texas. Remember, NH is the "Live Free or Die" state.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ni...r_by_state.pdf

[CP343]

[NumberSix]

Absolute socialism as in the USSR, no, you're right.

Social programs and government regulation to reign in the free market to prevent the monopolisation of each industry by one corporation, however on the other hand, have worked well.

Social security, basic healthcare, infrastructure, education, and unemployment benefits are in every single advanced society, and those are social services provided by the government. If these are socialism, then only socialist countries have worked in the history of modern civilization.

And you'll notice, none of those countries are the largest economic and military powers on the world and they have less individual freedom and less economic opportunity. Your great idea is that the United States should strive to be like less successful countries.

[Derka]

You were talking about independents believing in gun rights.

Well, I am showing you that the population that owns guns in Michigan is almost double New Hampshire. One would surmise that independents in Michigan would be even more heavily in favor of gun rights.

So, your premise that they don't care in two states that have a HIGHER gun ownership in NH seems... off.

You're replying to the wrong person. I didn't say a word about gun ownership. I replied to someone talking about socialism.

[UK2K]

That data is based on a poll, and most likely not very accurate. A lot of people don't want to tell a stranger they own a firearm.

For instance that poll says 14.4% of NH own guns and 35+% of Texans own guns. Yet in 2015, there were 10,000 NICS checks (background check prior to a firearms purchase) per 100000 residents in NH but only 6000 per 100k in Texas. Remember, NH is the "Live Free or Die" state.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ni...r_by_state.pdf

That just means the same people are buying the guns. You can own 100 guns, go to a store to buy your 101st, and still get a background check.

100 background checks per 100,000 residents =/= 100 gun owners per 100,000 residents.

[UK2K]

You're replying to the wrong person. I didn't say a word about gun ownership. I replied to someone talking about socialism.

You are correct, my bad.

You're probably thinking WTF.

[HitandRun Reggie]

That just means the same people are buying the guns. You can own 100 guns, go to a store to buy your 101st, and still get a background check.

100 background checks per 100,000 residents =/= 100 gun owners per 100,000 residents.

While that is true. The same rule applies to Texas. It's highly unlikely there are just a few individuals buying lots of guns in NH but not in Texas. Plus you can buy up to 5 guns on your 4473(NICS), I've done it before.

The link you have has Massachusetts and California having a much higher gun ownership rate than NH, which doesn't make sense. NH has extremely lenient gun laws, because that's the way people there want them. Wiki has NH with a 30% gun ownership rate but I'm guessing it's much higher just by the amount of firearm applications processed.

The link you provided had 4000 participants throughout the nation which means there might have been a 100 or less NH residents polled.

But I have never been to the state. If there is an ISH member from NH maybe they could chime in on whether or not it they think it has a very low gun ownership rate.

[bladefd]

That's called Socialism. It has never worked in the History of Modern Civilization.

How is that socialism? Democracy no longer works when a small percentage of people have all the power and influence in what goes on. How is it socialism when everyone gets an equal voice and a few very wealthy people can no longer buy elections? United States belongs to everyone, rich or poor. Your thinking makes no sense.

Socialism is when the government is so massive that they completely control production and distribution of products. Bernie's plan still has free market and private sector industries as they always were. They would have to pay more tax (Bernie said he is not going anywhere close to 90% under Eisenhower, a Republican) and no more superPACs to buy elections.

[Im Still Ballin]

How is that socialism? Democracy no longer works when a small percentage of people have all the power and influence in what goes on. How is it socialism when everyone gets an equal voice and a few very wealthy people can no longer buy elections? United States belongs to everyone, rich or poor. Your thinking makes no sense.

Found the commie

[UK2K]

While that is true. The same rule applies to Texas. It's highly unlikely there are just a few individuals buying lots of guns in NH but not in Texas. Plus you can buy up to 5 guns on your 4473(NICS), I've done it before.

The link you have has Massachusetts and California having a much higher gun ownership rate than NH, which doesn't make sense. NH has extremely lenient gun laws, because that's the way people there want them. Wiki has NH with a 30% gun ownership rate but I'm guessing it's much higher just by the amount of firearm applications processed.

The link you provided had 4000 participants throughout the nation which means there might have been a 100 or less NH residents polled.

But I have never been to the state. If there is an ISH member from NH maybe they could chime in on whether or not it they think it has a very low gun ownership rate.

I would assume, given their low population and wild, wild wilderness, it would be higher than the 15% quoted in the article, but I don't know.

I did find this:



I'd say these numbers are probably closer to being accurate.

[HitandRun Reggie]

I would assume, given their low population and wild, wild wilderness, it would be higher than the 15% quoted in the article, but I don't know.

I did find this:



I'd say these numbers are probably closer to being accurate.

Hmmm hard to tell without seeing how a source known to be biased like Mother Jones cherry picked the CDC info.

[Coach Eddie]

Why wouldn't he win in New Hampshire? That and Vermont are in the bag for Sanders.

[Rolando]

This.

Corporations have far too much influence. The politicians are bought and paid for. The government no longer represents the People.

What Bernie represents is a return to Democracy, not Socialism.

How is that socialism? Democracy no longer works when a small percentage of people have all the power and influence in what goes on. How is it socialism when everyone gets an equal voice and a few very wealthy people can no longer buy elections? United States belongs to everyone, rich or poor. Your thinking makes no sense.

Socialism is when the government is so massive that they completely control production and distribution of products. Bernie's plan still has free market and private sector industries as they always were. They would have to pay more tax (Bernie said he is not going anywhere close to 90% under Eisenhower, a Republican) and no more superPACs to buy elections.

[bladefd]

Found the commie

How is it communist?

We both know things are falling apart in America. Politicians paid off and massive lobbying, huge superPACs for elections. Democracy is no longer working as it should be in America because the agendas of the politicians are driven by lobbyists.

Democracy works best when everyone has a voice. Not just the rich and massive corporations. That is not communism there, dummy. Communism is when citizens give up all their power to the government to run them. My belief is the exact opposite: citizens don't give up their power to anyone to control them. At the present, that power lies solely in the rich due to money. I want it to be driven by EVERYONE! When everyone is involved with money influencing Washington much less, that is when we have democracy that works. That is a democracy I want with everyone participating with one voice apiece. Nobody gets multiple votes or too much power as corporations do now.

I want democracy back. No more corporatism.