James with 6 straight finals Appreciation Thread.

[Real14]

What do you appreciate about this guy and his stellar play with the heat/cavs over the last 6 years? I have much respect for this great player for help leading his team to the finals 6 straight times. Only 8 people have done this too. What do you respect about James and his game? What do you respect about James Jones and his triumphant 6 year run ISH?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Far better player than Melo, or even Ewing/Starks

[AirBonner]

Lebron is the type of player people like to hate. Much like Ordan. The guy is relentless and determined to be the greatest.

[zeerghit]

What do you appreciate about this guy and his stellar play with the heat/cavs over the last 6 years? I have much respect for this great player for help leading his team to the finals 6 straight times. Only 8 people have done this too. What do you respect about James and his game? What do you respect about James Jones and his triumphant 6 year run ISH?

dude he took lottery team to finals 2 straight years and u still hating him? u are the biggest douche in all universe

[SouBeachTalents]

I respect he made Knicks fans think he was going to their team, then on national TV announced he was playing somewhere else and proceeded to win 2 titles while the Knicks continue to suck

[3ball]

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Jordan's areas of statistical advantage are more valuable and control the game better

Jordan's scored 5.5 more ppg in playoffs with better efficiency across the board (TS, FG, ORtg) and clutch - these things control the game better than Lebron's 2.5 def rebound edge (with less offensive rebound) and 1.0 assist edge (with more turnovers).

There's never been a #1 option that scored 5.5 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. Can you imagine if Lebron averaged 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency?.. He'd be on a completely different level.

The scoring gap is more significant than people realize

Lebron has many playoff series and even entire postseason runs where he wasn't the team's scoring leader, whereas the Bulls needed Jordan to be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg.

No other all-time great led his team in scoring for every series of their career, led alone by 15 ppg like Jordan.

Lebron can't shoot, and many of today's top wings can't either

This season, Lebron shot 31% on 3-pointers and 37% from midrange, and he's been a sub-par shooter for most of his career - this includes missing over 80% of his jumpshots in 2 different Finals, which is probably a record.. Overall, his midrange efficiency is below 40% for 10 of 13 seasons, while his career 3-point percentage is 31% in the playoffs.

The reality is that Lebron, Westbrook, Wade, Derozan and Butler ALL have sub-par 3-point and midrange efficiency, but they're still top scorers because today's spacing and hands-off defense allows athletic players easier access to the rim than ever before.

MJ's athleticism would benefit the same way, except he was a goat midrange shooter, which gives him a massive advantage over non-shooters Lebron, Westbrick and company.

Jordan's stats occurred in the UNSPACED phase of the modern era:

That's a tougher time period than today's SPACED phase of the modern era.. Specifically, Lebron and Curry's teams take 30 three-pointers per game, compared to 5 per game for the 1991 Bulls.. So it's statistical fact that Lebron and Curry achieve their stats WITH teammates spacing the floor, while Jordan achieved his stats WITHOUT teammates spacing the floor.

Obviously, Jordan's stats would explode in today's spacing.. Just look at Lebron and Westbrook - Jordan has same or better athleticism, but they can't shoot, while he had goat midrange efficiency, much better than Curry's.

Essentially, MJ had Lebron/Westbrook's athleticism and better midrange shooting than Steph Curry.

Lebron employs a [COLOR="DarkRed"]suboptimal style[/COLOR] that makes a ring highly unlikely (requiring collusion)

Specifically, he turns teammates from playmakers into play-finishers by lowering their APG (playmaking), and increasing their assisted rate (play-finishing).. Here's the APG and assisted rate of every key teammate:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...73&postcount=1


Lebron's ball monopolization results in a sophomoric brand of basketball and predictable, play-finishing teammates that can't succeed against the best playoff teams.. A weak brand of basketball and underperforming teammates results in the TEAM underperforming and losing as the favorite (2009 ECF, 2010 ECF, 2011 Finals) and when it's 50/50 (2014).

[3ball]

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Jordan was a better defender

Just look at the 2015 Finals - even WITH Lebron shooting 39% and allowing Iggy an extra 10 ppg, the Cavs were still competitive and won 2 games - clearly, if he shoots 50% and holds Iggy to his normal 7 ppg, the Cavs win easily.

Jordan never let a role player get 10 ppg above his average, and he never shot 39% against single-coverage, which is why he never lost in the Finals like Lebron did.

The 2015 Finals was no fluke - Lebron let Kawhi score 10 ppg above his average and get FMVP of 2014 Finals.. Overall, Lebron has 4 all-defensive selections, compared to Jordan's 9, plus a DPOY award in the golden age for big men and towering shot-blockers.

Jordan was a better all-round player

Even though Jordan's scoring load was FAR greater than Lebron's, Jordan led his team in passing just like Lebron did - specifically, he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.

Jordan's goat scoring, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and the biggest load ever carried.

[AirBonner]

3ball spamming. Shook as fvck

[3ball]

3ball spamming. Shook as fvck

not spamming - i'm simply re-posting confirmed facts, so other posters can know what is confirmed

[kamil]

3ball spamming. Shook as fvck

What's it like cheering for a middle aged balding final's loser who's only capable of success with collusion?

[AirBonner]

What's it like cheering for a middle aged balding final's loser who's only capable of success with collusion?

How does it feel to cheer for the lottery every year?

[Real14]

Far better player than Melo, or even Ewing/Starks

Yea and I'm better than M.J

[kamil]

How does it feel to cheer for the lottery every year?

Answer the question.

What's it like cheering for a middle aged balding final's loser who's only capable of success with collusion?

[Real14]

Answer the question.

What's it like cheering for a middle aged balding final's loser who's only capable of success with collusion?

That's the problem. He can't answer that shit

[Real14]

dude he took lottery team to finals 2 straight years and u still hating him? u are the biggest douche in all universe

You mean a lottery team that he turned to another super stacked team right bitch?