Does anyone actually have Shaq ahead of Duncan all time?

[ShaqAttack3234]

Hahahaha I've been watching since a few years before DRob, who I saw give Hakeem far more trouble in the playoffs than Shaq ever did. Shaq could never get it done without another top 5 player in the league.

Shaq fared much better against Hakeem than Robinson did in '95, the only year Robinson faced him in the playoffs. Shaq wasn't able to stop Hakeem, but he slowed him down more than Robinson did, but Shaq was able to get his against Hakeem far more than Robinson.

Hakeem certainly outplayed both, but he outplayed Robinson far more decisively than he outplayed Shaq. Of course, this was a 3rd year 23 year old Shaq compared to a peak 29 year old David Robinson as well.

By the way, Kobe wasn't a top 5 player when Shaq won his first title in 2000 either. Of course, this is ignoring the fact that summing up an entire cast based on just the 2nd best player requires such minimal thought that you have to question the intelligence of anyone who does it.

[ninephive]

Ppl only bring in BS intangibles for Duncan here noone that saw both em play in the prime would say Duncan was better Shaq. Shaq has underrate longevity he was 15 times all star and Duncan was 14. Shaq has 14 allnba teams and so does Duncan. Shaq was GOAT finals player and David guarded prime Shaq better than Duncan.

What?! Duncan single-handedly cut Shaq's prime off. Not to mention Kobe there to help. I remember the Lakers crying when the Spurs beat them by 30 on their home floor to end their dynasty, courtesy of Duncan doing WHATEVER HE WANTED to Shaq. I would definitely argue Duncan has a case simply for ending the Shaq/Kobe reign for good.

[ninephive]

Shaq fared much better against Hakeem than Robinson did in '95, the only year Robinson faced him in the playoffs. Shaq wasn't able to stop Hakeem, but he slowed him down more than Robinson did, but Shaq was able to get his against Hakeem far more than Robinson.

Hakeem certainly outplayed both, but he outplayed Robinson far more decisively than he outplayed Shaq. Of course, this was a 3rd year 23 year old Shaq compared to a peak 29 year old David Robinson as well.

By the way, Kobe wasn't a top 5 player when Shaq won his first title in 2000 either. Of course, this is ignoring the fact that summing up an entire cast based on just the 2nd best player requires such minimal thought that you have to question the intelligence of anyone who does it.

Fair enough, but let's not minimize Kobe's impact in Shaq's title years. We're just saying it helps to have a top 10 GOAT on your team.

[inclinerator]

shaq was the most unstoppable force of all time in his prime he is higher than duncan

[TonyMontana]

How is it impressive that Shaq won in 2 systems out of SIX? You honestly don't think Duncan would have been carried to a title (like Shaq was in 06) if he had been in SIX different environments? Come on. And especially if your teammates are prime Hardaway, Bryant, Wade, Lebron, and a good Nash/Stoudemire, and good Celtics big 3. This guy has had the best supporting/carrying cast of anyone by far. Talk about ring chasing...and all the right teams too. He just couldn't score one. He definitely put more effort into ring chasing than he ever did into defense though, that's for sure.

Nobody gives a **** about what Shaq did when he was like 40 years old with Cleveland, and Boston. His play with those teams isn't why he will be in the hall of fame.

Shaq didn't get "carried" in 2006. He was All NBA 1st Team that year(Wade was 2nd All NBA). The Heat were 10-11 and sucked ass in the time he missed that year and 43-12 with him playing.

He didnt have a great Finals series, but hes the biggest reason Dallas was constantly in the penalty and why Wade got free throws no non shooting fouls.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Fair enough, but let's not minimize Kobe's impact in Shaq's title years. We're just saying it helps to have a top 10 GOAT on your team.

Of course. Kobe was great, and I made no attempt at diminishing his impact in my post. I don't wish to diminish anyone's impact, but it does seem like you're trying to diminish Shaq's impact.

[ninephive]

shaq was the most unstoppable force of all time in his prime he is higher than duncan

Then how in tbe world did Duncan stop him on MULTIPLE occasions in his "prime". That overarching statement sounds great, but you just forget the times he actually got eliminated. We're not talking about Jordan here. Shaq was very stoppable and it happened a lot. Otherwise he would have more titles than Duncan or Kobe.

[ninephive]

Nobody gives a **** about what Shaq did when he was like 40 years old with Cleveland, and Boston. His play with those teams isn't why he will be in the hall of fame.

Shaq didn't get "carried" in 2006. He was All NBA 1st Team that year(Wade was 2nd All NBA). The Heat were 10-11 and sucked ass in the time he missed that year and 43-12 with him playing.

He didnt have a great Finals series, but hes the biggest reason Dallas was constantly in the penalty and why Wade got free throws no non shooting fouls.

Of course no one cares about what Shaq did in his late 30's, because he didn't do anything except try and chase rings. Meanwhile, a 37 year-old Duncan might put a fifth on his hand and has 2 more years on his contract...and the Spurs are getting better every year. No one cares about what Shaq did at the end of career, but history WILL care about what Duncan did.

[aj242]

What?! Duncan single-handedly cut Shaq's prime off. Not to mention Kobe there to help. I remember the Lakers crying when the Spurs beat them by 30 on their home floor to end their dynasty, courtesy of Duncan doing WHATEVER HE WANTED to Shaq. I would definitely argue Duncan has a case simply for ending the Shaq/Kobe reign for good.

Then the Spurs got sent home again the very next year by the Lakers. It comes down to Shaq's Peak being better & he 3peated. That's the difference really. Even if Duncan wins another one I keep it that way.

[gengiskhan]

Shaq Was More Dominant and Had a Higher Peek
Duncan Has Longevity On Him, Thats It

Many foget.

Shaq is a '90s era part of the all-time great center lists along with morning.

He debuted in 1992.

Shaq has 2 scoring titles. how many duncan has.

Shaq has highest FG% for seasons. How many duncan has.

Shaq has taken 2 franchises to NBA finals. Duncan is a product of SAS system.

Shaq has clearly underachieved with 1 mvp & 0 DPOY titles.

A reason why he is Top 8 GOATs.

when Shaq debuted. He was expected to be ahead of Hakeem & Bird in top 5 GOATs along with Wilt, kareem & MJ.

Thats how big of a FORCE OF NATURE he was in 1992 as rookie.