So let me get this straight

[tpols]

ANY top 25 great could make it to the finals every single year in the current east.

ANY.

It is NOT a big achievement.

agreed.

[stalkerforlife]

agreed.

True.

[kennethgriffin]

Wilt, Bran, Baylor and West are career losers because they made it to the finals more than their peers?

you're only a loser if you have a chance to win and you dont


nobody had a chance vs the 6-7 HOF celtics


bran had a legit shot in 2011, 2014 and 2015

all he had to do was play up to his potential and they win


and don't give me totals in 2015.. 27% is utter shit

[SouBeachTalents]

you're only a loser if you have a chance to win and you dont


nobody had a chance vs the 6-7 HOF celtics


bran had a legit shot in 2011, 2014 and 2015

all he had to do was play up to his potential and they win


and don't give me totals in 2015.. 27% is utter shit

No he did not. His team was severely over matched both series. Kobe losing in '04 is worse than those two considering his team was the heavy favorite and he had the worst series of his career. Ditto 2011 for LeBron

[Yoda]

Best to have many appearances AND many wins it is.

[tpols]

Best to have many appearances AND many wins it is.

[MJistheGOAT]

Let

[SouBeachTalents]

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]Let

[LAZERUSS]

Dunno about Elgin, but from all accounts I've read, West was an unselfish star who genuinely made his teammates better AND played bigger when it counted. He just had the bad luck of facing the Celtics in their prime (though he should have won twice against the Knicks).

Not sure about '70. The Knicks went 60-22, while the Lakers went 46-36 (Wilt missed 70 games, and miraculously came back...albeit, at nowhere near 100%.)

Granted, an injured West just puked all over the floor in that game seven.

And he was basically a shell in the '73 Finals, as well.

[LAZERUSS]

Add Wilt 1969 & Dirk 2007

Russell won a ring that year playing considerably worse in that Finals. And Wilt badly outplayed him in game seven.

[SouBeachTalents]

Russell won a ring that year playing considerably worse in that Finals. And Wilt badly outplayed him in game seven.

Russell basically played on par with his regular season production

RS: 10/19/5 on 43%
F: 9/21/5 on 40%

Wilt did not

RS: 21/21/5 on 58%
F: 12/25/3 on 50%

[LAZERUSS]

Russell basically played on par with his regular season production

RS: 10/19/5 on 43%
F: 9/21/5 on 40%

Wilt did not

RS: 21/21/5 on 58%
F: 12/25/3 on 50%

So outplaying your counterpart by a lessor margin means he was the reason his team lost. Outplaying is outplaying.



And I'll post their game seven totals...

Russell, in 48 minutes... 6 points, on 2-7 from the field, with 21 rebounds.

Wilt, in 43 minutes... 18 points, on 7-8 from the field, with 27 boards.

BTW, remove their FG/FGAs from that game seven, and Russell's teammates outshot Wilt's by a .477 to .360 margin...in a two point loss.