Are the Heat starting to become overrated?

[coin24]

OP posting in his lame troll thread with his alts what else is new..

Yawn.


Current old man kobe >>>>> bran could ever dream of being.

[Nash]

is anyone else amused by how much better they look now that they aren't being held back?

bosh goes from franchise player to spot up shooter to now being in the mvp conversation and his team undefeated

wade looks dejected and done with lebron the last couple years, then suddenly becomes a star sg again

meanwhile lebron gets outplayed by both of his star teammates in cleveland against the lowly knicks, and melo drains a game winner in lebron's face

sure seems like the heat are doing fine without lebron

unless you truly believe Miami will do better than 4 finals and 2 championships then this post wasn't necessary now was it?

[Crose]

unless you truly believe Miami will do better than 4 finals and 2 championships then this post wasn't necessary now was it?

you are missing the point.

of course they won't win a championship without lebron, that is crazy.

all i am saying is that they were visibly playing lower than their capability because lebron does not elevate his teammates play, in fact pushes it down. he makes everyone adapt to him and makes no effort to change to allow teammates to play in a comfort zone

so many great players like mj, duncan, bird, kobe, magic, shaq, and so on could do what lebron did in miami because those guys play a game that does not make teammates play outside their game.

gasol was almost the same player in memphis in los angeles, maybe even better. he was able to elevate his game because kobe made the game easier for him and did not make him change his game. gasol still played in the post, still displayed his passing. he did not force gasol to go out to 3 point range and bomb 3 point shots like a guard just so kobe could benefit. kobe even as people call him selfish, played his game but still let gasol play his game and as a result gasol had the best years of his career and won championships with kobe. bosh won championships with lebron but regressed as a player, and the only reason they won was because of overwhelming talent to get to the finals, and experience in 2012, and lebron playing very well in 2013 (credit where credit is due).

to bring this back on topic, i do not think miami is overrated because bosh and wade were capable of this. they were just not used to their capability because of lebron. lebron is a great player but it is no secret that he changes players games and makes them play out of their comfort zone. now they are back to that comfort zone so it is no surprise they are winning and playing well.

[IMObjective]

There's probably no team more motivated than the heat right now. Certain types of people automatically assuming that they'll crumble like the 2011 cavs after LeBron leaves. Those people are probably a bit worried that the heat might still be good this year.

[Nash]

you are missing the point.

of course they won't win a championship without lebron, that is crazy.

all i am saying is that they were visibly playing lower than their capability because lebron does not elevate his teammates play, in fact pushes it down. he makes everyone adapt to him and makes no effort to change to allow teammates to play in a comfort zone

so many great players like mj, duncan, bird, kobe, magic, shaq, and so on could do what lebron did in miami because those guys play a game that does not make teammates play outside their game.

gasol was almost the same player in memphis in los angeles, maybe even better. he was able to elevate his game because kobe made the game easier for him and did not make him change his game. gasol still played in the post, still displayed his passing. he did not force gasol to go out to 3 point range and bomb 3 point shots like a guard just so kobe could benefit. kobe even as people call him selfish, played his game but still let gasol play his game and as a result gasol had the best years of his career and won championships with kobe. bosh won championships with lebron but regressed as a player, and the only reason they won was because of overwhelming talent to get to the finals, and experience in 2012, and lebron playing very well in 2013 (credit where credit is due).

to bring this back on topic, i do not think miami is overrated because bosh and wade were capable of this. they were just not used to their capability because of lebron. lebron is a great player but it is no secret that he changes players games and makes them play out of their comfort zone. now they are back to that comfort zone so it is no surprise they are winning and playing well.

lebron didn't change anyones game. Spoelstra decided the best version of the Miami Heat would be with Bosh playing as a stretch 4 opening up the floor.

And lebron didn't do anything to Wade. Wade had injuries and 2 bad knees to deal with. wade can't even shoot a 3 so not like lebron 'made' him a spot up shooter.

and please stop bring gasol and kobe to this discussion to somehow tell us how bad of a teammate lebron is compared to kobe when the whole association raves about how awesome of a teammate lebron is and how its widely known that lebron always puts an effort to get his teammates involved.

[Crose]

lebron didn't change anyones game. Spoelstra decided the best version of the Miami Heat would be with Bosh playing as a stretch 4 opening up the floor.

And lebron didn't do anything to Wade. Wade had injuries and 2 bad knees to deal with. wade can't even shoot a 3 so not like lebron 'made' him a spot up shooter.

and please stop bring gasol and kobe to this discussion to somehow tell us how bad of a teammate lebron is compared to kobe when the whole association raves about how awesome of a teammate lebron is and how its widely known that lebron always puts an effort to get his teammates involved.

oh of course he did, dont change the history. there is no reason for bosh to shoot 3s like he did if not for lebron changing the team. the fact is lebron could not play to the strengths of his teammates so he made all of them change for him. lebron is still a great player and wade and bosh are good enough support for them to win championships but the heat underachieved because of all of this.

i agree with wade being injured but still wade in 2012 and a lot of 2013 was still a star player being used incorrectly.

[andremiller07]

They are much more pleasing to watch on the eye now, weather they are better is a completely different story.

[Nash]

oh of course he did, dont change the history. there is no reason for bosh to shoot 3s like he did if not for lebron changing the team. the fact is lebron could not play to the strengths of his teammates so he made all of them change for him. lebron is still a great player and wade and bosh are good enough support for them to win championships but the heat underachieved because of all of this.

i agree with wade being injured but still wade in 2012 and a lot of 2013 was still a star player being used incorrectly.

change history? History brought miami to 4 straight finals and 2 championships. And Bosh didn't start regularly shoot 3's until last season so lets stop acting as if bosh was stuck out there for 4 years.

Bosh wasn't even bad for what his role was. he was 3rd option and scored mostly around 20ppg until last season. His big failure was rebounding which has nothing to do with lebron at all. Miami badly needed to rebound and he didn't show up there. Watching Cleveland and the same thing has not happened to Love(and TT and Varejao).

[Papaya Petee]

I agree it is too early to judge but @ bringing up other teams injuries.

Granger and Haslem haven't played a game yet, with Anderson and McRoberts missing 1 game each and McBob just slowly getting into the system.

Wade hasn't gotten going yet and theyre just beggining to mesh together.

3-0

[poido123]

Heat are a good team, still have the chemistry.

They added deng and McRoberts, while not exactly replacing lebron they havent fallen off all that much. Plus their passing looks better too without LeBron pounding and dominating the ball.

Hilarious if they take down the Cavs. Ruin lebrons legacy forever

[PJR]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=355713

This moronic Bran stan is in full blown damage control mode. Was making definitive predictions that the Heat were going to suck all preseason.

Sorry, but the Heat are not going to fit the narrative you want them too, buddy. Far too competent of an organization. Going to be a rough year for you if you thought they were going to crash and burn without Mr 2 for 5.

[coin24]

Nash (Pauk) on damage control already

As we all knew the Heat were/are a great team without bran.. Now they're looking better cause bran isn't there to hog the ball and turn everyone into spot up shooters.
No coincidence he's doing the same thing to the cavs. Luckily they have Tristan Thompson

[plowking]

Best team in the league at the moment. Norris Cole and Chris Bosh tied for MVP.

[returnofthemack]

They have an core of guys that are used to winning and going deep into the playoffs. And they have superstars to lead them. I think they are contenders for a 3rd or 4th seed and possibly an eastern conference finals appearance. If all goes well maybe more but it's a long season and they are going to need to stay motivated and healthy.

[r15mohd]

is anyone else amused by how much better they look now that they aren't being held back?

bosh goes from franchise player to spot up shooter to now being in the mvp conversation and his team undefeated

wade looks dejected and done with lebron the last couple years, then suddenly becomes a star sg again

meanwhile lebron gets outplayed by both of his star teammates in cleveland against the lowly knicks, and melo drains a game winner in lebron's face

sure seems like the heat are doing fine without lebron

I'd use that word "better" very lightly...they look good, but are they really better than a Lebron led team?

also, I want to see how they fair against the harder teams...basically the West, where a Lebron led Heat team was pretty successful. I'm definitely rooting for them, but to say the team is "better" without the best player in the game is really stupid.

hopefully I'm wrong and we reach Finals number 5...all while knocking out the Cavs in the ECF