How does the best PG over the last 8 years not even reach a confererence finals?

[1987_Lakers]

[3ball]

the more you allow a small, ball-dominant PG to dominate, the more you stop his team.

it's just the way basketball works.

let me know if you need further clarification.

[ImKobe]

the more you allow a small, ball-dominant PG to dominate, the more you stop his team.

it's just the way basketball works.

let me know if you need further clarification.

This seems like bullshit. CP3 been had chances to make the Conference Finals and his teams been choking in close series down the stretch (Spurs 2008, OKC 2014, Spurs 2015)

one of the GOAT PGs was a small, ball dominant PG that won multiple titles with Detroit

To me, it comes down to the talent and the way the team executes. He's just a poor decision-maker in crunch time.

[Young X]

Because he's faced by far the toughest competition out of any elite player. Name someone who's had to face tougher teams. You can't. He's never even faced a sub 50 win team % wise.

He would be a LEGEND if he played in the east.

[SouBeachTalents]

Because he's faced by far the toughest competition out of any elite player. Name someone who's had to face tougher teams. You can't. He's never even faced a sub 50 win team % wise.

He would be a LEGEND if he played in the east.

Isiah Thomas?

[Young X]

Isiah Thomas?

In 1989 alone he faced the:

- 42 win Celtics without Bird in the 1st round
- 49 win Bucks in the 2nd round
- 47 win Bulls (MJ + scrubs) in the conference finals
- Lakers without Magic and Scott in the finals.

CP hasn't even faced a sub 50 win team in the playoffs. None of the above teams are even close to this current Spurs team or OKC last year. That's just ONE season.

[ninephive]

Probably because he ran into Tony Parker 3 times in the playoffs.


...plus the correct answer which is that he's not the best PG.

[ninephive]

Because he's faced by far the toughest competition out of any elite player. Name someone who's had to face tougher teams. You can't. He's never even faced a sub 50 win team % wise.

He would be a LEGEND if he played in the east.

If a choke artist like CP3 would be a legend in the East, what would a legend in the West like Tony Parker be in the East, a god?

[J Shuttlesworth]

If a choke artist like CP3 would be a legend in the East, what would a legend in the West like Tony Parker be in the East, a god?

Luckily Tony Parker has had the help of 3 HOFers

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I've listed a bunch of his not-so-pleasing games and various opportunities he has had to make a WCF. Truth is, CP has no excuses left.

Tonight? He and his team choked AGAIN. Disappointing all around.

[Proctor]

Luckily Tony Parker has had the help of 3 HOFers

No excuses

[bdreason]

Most stacked Conference in the history of the sport.

[3ball]

This seems like bullshit. CP3 been had chances to make the Conference Finals and his teams been choking in close series down the stretch (Spurs 2008, OKC 2014, Spurs 2015)

one of the GOAT PGs was a small, ball dominant PG that won multiple titles with Detroit

To me, it comes down to the talent and the way the team executes. He's just a poor decision-maker in crunch time.

typical casual fan ignorance - thinking isiah and cp3 play alike.. they played very differently.. isiah wasn't NEARLY as ball-dominant as guys like cp3 or nash.. but most importantly, he didn't dominate his team's playmaking and offensive decision-making like those guys.. the pistons were a balanced team with MULTIPLE playmakers - they didn't rely exclusively on isiah to set the table nearly as often as CP3 or Nash-led teams.

the stats prove this: isiah's offensive win share (the degree to which he wins games with his offense) was between 3 and 5 every year, the same as his teammates - those pistons had a BALANCED DISTRIBUTION of offensive win share.. isiah wasn't making every play for them like CP3 does for his teams - this made isiah's teams harder to stop: multiple playmaker teams > 1-playmaker teams.

otoh, chris paul and nash DOMINATE their team's distribution of offensive win share - i.e. their offensive win share is like 12+ every year, while everyone else on their team is much lower.. you should understand that #1 option SG's, SF's, PF's and Centers frequently win championships while dominating their team's distribution of offensive win share, but the only PG that's ever done it is Magic.. and he was a guy that played all 5 positions every game... He wasn't really just a point guard.. (he was just once-in-a-lifetime unique - the only player ever that was an elite passer from ALL positions).

i advise that you re-read the above several times.

[masonanddixon]

Most stacked Conference in the history of the sport.

But only a completely stacked and well-balanced team.

[Mr. Jabbar]

there IS a thing called "clutch gene", its either there or its not, and it defines careers.