Why LeBron cannot ever be compared to Michael Jordan

[warriorfan]

Pippen was 4th in Per when MJ left

LeBron left his home team to join the 2nd and 4th leaders in PER (D.Wade and Chris Bosh)

What LeBron did was like if MJ left his hometown team to join Scottie Pippen AND Shaquile Oneal! (The 4th and 2nd leaders in PER of the 1994 season)

[TheWinningFam]

Who's comparing lebron to jordan?
They're different players.. different skill sets

Also how many more meltdown threads do you plan on making?

[Lebron23]

Damn

So Chris Bosh > Kobe Bryant

[warriorfan]

Who's comparing lebron to jordan?
They're different players.. different skill sets

Also how many more meltdown threads do you plan on making?

What LeBron did was like if Michael Jordan joined up with Shaquile O'Neal AND Scottie Pippen

References: See Above

[TheWinningFam]

By this logic kobe wasn't even a top 5 player in 2009-10

[TheWinningFam]

What LeBron did was like if Michael Jordan joined up with Shaquile O'Neal AND Scottie Pippen

References: See Above

So you're saying Bosh is better than shaq and wade is better than pippen

[warriorfan]

By this logic kobe wasn't even a top 5 player in 2009-10

Per is notoriously unfriendly to Kobe Bryant because of his unique style of play, the fact that he takes such a large percentage of his team's end of the shot clock and end of the quarter shots and gets assists soaked up from the triangle both deflate his PER

[warriorfan]

So you're saying Bosh is better than shaq and wade is better than pippen

How did you get Bosh being better than Shaq?

And Wade is better than Pippen?

I believe you need to reexamine the data





The 2nd best players in the leagues were Shaq and Wade

The 4th best players in the leagues were Pippen and Bosh

[TheWinningFam]

How did you get Bosh being better than Shaq?

And Wade is better than Pippen?

I believe you need to reexamine the data





The 2nd best players in the leagues were Shaq and Wade

The 4th best players in the leagues were Pippen and Bosh


Per is a flawed stat that doesn't really mean anything

So you're saying wade is better than shaq right?


[warriorfan]

Mybad i was barely paying attention

Per is a flawed stat that doesn't really mean anything

So you're saying wade is better than shaq right?


No, where did I say that?

This is the second time in a row you have attempted a straw man argument...

[K.dot ShowTime]

LeBron> MJ by the end of his career

[TheWinningFam]

No, where did I say that?

This is the second time in a row you have attempted a straw man argument...

How's it a strawman
By what you just showed me Wade was a better player in 09 than shaq was entering his prime in 97-98 if we are going off per
Its a false dichotomy using a advanced stat that's flawed..

[warriorfan]

How's it a strawman
By what you just showed me Wade was a better player in 09 than shaq was entering his prime in 97-98 if we are going off per
Its a false dichotomy using a advanced stat that's flawed..

You obviously don't understand PER...This is awkward

PER isn't supposed to be compared across years, especially not to be compared across eras. PER is normalized and averaged out by the entire set of data composed in a single year. In other words you can use PER numbers for comparison if they come from the same year's data. You CANNOT compare PERs if they come from different years data.

In other words if there are two players from 1994, you can use their PERs to compare the two

If there is a player from 1994 and a player from 2004, you cannot use their PERs for a straight comparison of the two

What you can do is see how their PER scores are relative to their peers of the same season

For example if a player has the 2nd best PER in the league, he more often than not the 2nd best player in the league

So to answer your question, in 2009 D Wade had the 2nd highest PER in the league and was the 2nd best player of the league

In 1998 Shaq had the highest PER in the league and was the best player in the league

Therefore I would say Shaq in 1998 was slightly better than Wade in 2009, but it is very close. Do you remember how dominant Wade was in 2009?

[TheWinningFam]

You obviously don't understand PER...This is awkward

PER isn't supposed to be compared across years, especially not to be compared across eras. PER is normalized and averaged out by the entire set of data composed in a single year. In other words you can use PER numbers for comparison if they come from the same year's data. You CANNOT compare PERs if they come from different years data.

If there is a player from 1994 and a player from 2004, you cannot use their PERs for a straight comparison of the two

So to answer your question, in 2009 D Wade had the 2nd highest PER in the league and was the 2nd best player of the league

In 1998 Shaq had the highest PER in the league and was the best player in the league

Therefore I would say Shaq in 1998 was slightly better than Wade in 2009, but it is very close. Do you remember how dominant Wade was in 2009?

1.So you're saying kobe at best was the third best player in the league..
2.Yes, wade dominated so much he lead his team to a record of 47-39 meanwhile shaq lead his team to a record of 61-21
Also this is basically saying bosh was better than kobe in 2009-2010 it doesn't matter what his play style was you say kobe had no help in 2009-2010, why did he win a title with no help and not finish in the top 5 per wise? That stat is s.hit

[warriorfan]

1.So you're saying kobe at best was the third best player in the league..
2.Yes, wade dominated so much he lead his team to a record of 47-39 meanwhile shaq lead his team to a record of 61-21
Also this is basically saying bosh was better than kobe in 2009-2010 it doesn't matter what his play style was you say kobe had no help in 2009-2010, why did he win a title with no help and not finish in the top 5 per wise? That stat is s.hit

I already stated how Kobe's extremely unique style of play under represents his PER. To be honest with 2009 it's a toss up between LeBron, Kobe, and Wade. They each had amazing seasons that year.

For your second point, Shaq had a much better record because he had a much better team. Shaq and Wade's level of play was very similar however Shaq's team was far superior. This is quite obvious...