Jerry West's stats in 1969 NBA Final game 7 VS Boston Celtics

[jlauber]

Indeed Chamberlain choked away Game 5 in 1966 for the Sixers (lost by 8 points) with his poor foul shooting, despite his 46/34 game.

Critics at the time were no better either.


Wilt Loses Temper, Feuds With Writer

THAT was my exact argument! Can you imagine a member of the media BLAMING MJ for that OT loss? It was essentially the same point.

Where in the hell would have Philly been without Wilt. They were damn near a last-place team when he joined them. Yet, HE gets blamed, after putting up a 46-34 game, for cryingoutloud??????

[jlauber]

So Jordan missing 2 FTs is comparable to Wilt missing 17 FTs? Is that what you're saying? Yet your calling other people idiots?

What is it with you morons anyway...

FORTY-SIX POINTS and THIRTY-FOUR REBOUNDS...against RUSSELL!!!!!

But, of course, guys like Eddie Curry and Greg Ostertag would have killed Russell.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Of course, before Magic came along...Kareem had at least as equally, if not more "disappointing career."

Yet Kareem won a title in '71 with a team far less talented than either of Wilt's championship teams and

How come an over-the-hill Thurmond could outplay him in two straight playoff series, including a shocking upset in '73? Or that Kareem "choked" down the stretch, while an aged Chamberlain TOOK OVER the clinching game six of the '72 WCF's? Or that a little white center would outplay Kareem in a game seven, and lead an underdog team to a win over Kareem's Bucks? Or that Kareem couldn't take the Lakers to even a Finals, until MAGIC came along. Or that he was blown away in a sweeping loss to Moses Malone in '83.

What the hell is your point? Kareem won a title before Magic and had an incredible playoff run to the finals in '74. He didn't need Magic to win a title or make it to the finals. He won before Magic was even in highschool.

And you know what? Magic was the CLEAR sidekick in '80, in fact, Pat Riley didn't tell Magic it was his team until 1986.

And I've heard you spew crap about Kareem winning against an injured Laker team in '71.

Well guess what? Willis Reed was injured for the Knicks in '72, you know, the same team that beat Wilt's Lakers in '70 and '73? If I were to use your horrible logic then I could point out that fact repeatedly whenever you point out the Lakers injuries in '71. Or Oscar's injury in '72.

I bet you have a stained poster of Wilt Chamberlain hanging above your bed. You really take hero worship to a new level, though I think your love of Wilt goes a little beyond just being a fan of his game.....perhaps some of Bill Simmons allegations regarding Wilt weren't as crazy as I initially thought they were.......no wonder you take criticism of his sex life so personally.

He and ShaqAttack and their anti-Wilt posts. But heaven forbid you point out that O'Neal was involved in SIX post-season sweeping losses, and was ONE SHOT away from seven. How many other great players can make that claim?

A loss is a loss and a win is a win. I don't care how he lost, he won 4 championships. Twice as many as Wilt. And one shot away from getting swept a seventh time? You're really grasping at straws. Shaq was the only Laker who showed up in that series.

[Fatal9]

34 rebounds*

*in a series with 140+ rebounds per game

Maybe Wilt should have tried his patented unstoppable fadeaways from 15+ feet on his free throw attempts? He had Kevin Garnett range after all right?

[jlauber]

Yet Kareem won a title in '71 with a team far less talented than either of Wilt's championship teams and



What the hell is your point? Kareem won a title before Magic and had an incredible playoff run to the finals in '74. He didn't need Magic to win a title or make it to the finals. He won before Magic was even in highschool.

And you know what? Magic was the CLEAR sidekick in '80, in fact, Pat Riley didn't tell Magic it was his team until 1986.

And I've heard you spew crap about Kareem winning against an injured Laker team in '71.

Well guess what? Willis Reed was injured for the Knicks in '72, you know, the same team that beat Wilt's Lakers in '70 and '73? If I were to use your horrible logic then I could point out that fact repeatedly whenever you point out the Lakers injuries in '71. Or Oscar's injury in '72.

I bet you have a stained poster of Wilt Chamberlain hanging above your bed. You really take hero worship to a new level, though I think your love of Wilt goes a little beyond just being a fan of his game.....perhaps some of Bill Simmons allegations regarding Wilt weren't as crazy as I initially thought they were.......no wonder you take criticism of his sex life so personally.



A loss is a loss and a win is a win. I don't care how he lost, he won 4 championships. Twice as many as Wilt. And one shot away from getting swept a seventh time? You're really grasping at straws. Shaq was the only Laker who showed up in that series.

Kareem's 71 Bucks NEVER faced a talented team en route to their title. The only team that could have beat them was Wilt's Lakers, who were without West, Baylor, and Erickson.

Wilt's 71-72 Lakers beat Milwaukee EIGHT times in 11 tries (4-1 in the regular season, and 4-2 in the playoffs.) Then they routed the Reedless Knicks and their FIVE HOFers in the Finals.

In '73 Wilt's Lakers lost four close games to Reed's Knicks and their SIX HOFers (and with West playing with two bad knees, and Hairston nowhere near 100%.)

And NO, it was NO COINCIDENCE that when Magic arrived that HE led them to FIVE titles and NINE Finals. Kareem never even got the Lakers to a Finals before Magic. And, Magic led teams to 63-19 and 58-24 withOUT Kareem. PLEASE, Kareem was the side-kick. As great as Kareem played, LA even won the title withOUT him in game six of the '80 Finals. And if Kareem could have stood up against Malone in the '83 Finals the Lakers would have won that series.

Kareem was a very talented side-kick.

As for Shaq...yeah, he could beat up the McCulloughs and Smits in the Finals, but put him up against a HOF center, and his team was swept. And without Kobe beating the Spurs in the WCF's, he would never have even made it to the Finals in those years.

[jlauber]

34 rebounds*

*in a series with 140+ rebounds per game

Maybe Wilt should have tried his patented unstoppable fadeaways from 15+ feet on his free throw attempts? He had Kevin Garnett range after all right?

Yeah...only 25% of all of the available rebounds...and playing against the second greatest rebounder in NBA history.

[Alhazred]

Where in the hell would have Philly been without Wilt. They were damn near a last-place team when he joined them. Yet, HE gets blamed, after putting up a 46-34 game, for cryingoutloud??????

The 76ers won 55 games their very first season without Wilt in 1969. In fact, they had a better record than the Celtics that year, and that's despite also losing Luke Jackson for most of the season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1969.html

[Fatal9]

4-1 in the regular season, and 4-2 in the playoffs.

Oscar didn't play in two of the regular season losses (Kareem had 40 pts and 50 pts in those games), the elimination game of the playoffs, and was hurt during the entire series. With a healthy Oscar, I'd guess the very close series swings in favor of the Bucks (who actually outscored the Lakers over the series) and Wilt ends up with just 1 title. You love "what-ifs" right?

The 76ers won 55 games their very first season without Wilt in 1969. In fact, they had a better record than the Celtics that year, and that's despite also losing Luke Jackson for most of the season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1969.html

When Wilt came on board in '65 after his Warrior team (which was 11-33 at the time) traded him, Philly was 21-20 and didn't seem to improve much record wise after the trade happened either...

[jlauber]

The 76ers won 55 games their very first season without Wilt in 1969. In fact, they had a better record than the Celtics that year, and that's despite also losing Luke Jackson for most of the season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/1969.html

Of course, they DROPPED down from 62 wins and a game seven four point loss in the ECF's, to 55 wins and a first round playoff exit. Meanwhile Wilt led LA to FOUR Finals in his FIVE years there...and in his last season, his former 76er team won NINE games.

Incidently Wilt was TRADED for THREE players, including an all-star guard. Of course, the Jordanites fail to bring up the fact that his Bulls team dropped from 57-25 down to 55-27 the very next season, and basically replacing him with Pete Chilcutt. AND, that team lost a close game seven to the Knicks, who lost a close game seven to the champion Rockets..all withOUT MJ.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Kareem's 71 Bucks NEVER faced a talented team en route to their title. The only team that could have beat them was Wilt's Lakers, who were without West, Baylor, and Erickson.

The Bullets weren't talented? The team that Kareem's Bucks swept? Earl Monroe, Wes Unseld, Gus Johnson(and his ability to touch the top of the backboard, Wilt is the only other NBA player to do that!)....in fact, they had six double digit scorers.

Wilt's 71-72 Lakers beat Milwaukee EIGHT times in 11 tries (4-1 in the regular season, and 4-2 in the playoffs.) Then they routed the Reedless Knicks and their FIVE HOFers in the Finals.

Yet, they beat Milwaukee in a close 6 game series with an injured Oscar Robertson. Remember, this is the logic you use. Pointing out other team's injuries to try to taint a title is asinine, but hopefully now you can see that.

In '73 Wilt's Lakers lost four close games to Reed's Knicks and their SIX HOFers (and with West playing with two bad knees, and Hairston nowhere near 100%.)

See the post above.

And NO, it was NO COINCIDENCE that when Magic arrived that HE led them to FIVE titles and NINE Finals. Kareem never even got the Lakers to a Finals before Magic. And, Magic led teams to 63-19 and 58-24 withOUT Kareem. PLEASE, Kareem was the side-kick. As great as Kareem played, LA even won the title withOUT him in game six of the '80 Finals. And if Kareem could have stood up against Malone in the '83 Finals the Lakers would have won that series.

So let me get this straight....you're claiming Kareem was Magic's sidekick even in 1980?

As for Shaq...yeah, he could beat up the McCulloughs and Smits in the Finals, but put him up against a HOF center, and his team was swept. And without Kobe beating the Spurs in the WCF's, he would never have even made it to the Finals in those years.

Of course they wouldn't have made the finals without Kobe, LA was a 2-star team who needed their 2 stars to play well(unlike Wilt's stacked championship teams). Yet Shaq was the 1st option on those teams.

And Dikembe Mutombo is a HOF-caliber defender and he may very well make the HOF on the strength of his defense and we all saw what happened when Shaq faced him in the finals.

And a 3rd year Shaq played very well individually vs Olajuwon at his absolute peak in the '95 finals.

[jlauber]

Oscar didn't play in two of the regular season losses (Kareem had 40 pts and 50 pts in those games), the elimination game of the playoffs, and was hurt during the entire series. With a healthy Oscar, I'd guess the series swings in favor of the Bucks (who actually outscored the Lakers over the series) and Wilt ends up with just 1 title. You love "what-ifs" right?


When Wilt came on board in '64 after his Warrior team (which was 11-33 at the time), Philly was 21-20 and didn't seem to improve much record wise after the trade happened either...

You talk about EMPTY stats. Kareem's 50 point game came in a BLOWOUT loss, 123-107, and in which he was outrebounded by Chamberlain, 25-8.

And, how about that 21-20 Philly team, (which had been 34-46 the year before)..how did they fare in the post-season??? They lost a game seven, by ONE point, to the 62-18 Celtics, in a series in which Wilt averaged a 30-30.

[jlauber]

Of course, Shaq's 96-97 playoff series against Ostertag was a monumental one as well. 22 ppg, 11 rpg, and 49% from the floor.

Between that, and his career domination of Eddie Curry...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=curryed01

Outscoring Curry, 15.5 to 12.8 ppg, (although Curry did outshoot him, .533 to .529), and outrebounding him by a staggering 6.9 to 5.0 margin...in 13 H2H games.

I wonder how a PRIME Chamberlain would have fared against those two TITANS?

[che guevara]

Of course, Shaq's 96-97 playoff series against Ostertag was a monumental one as well. 22 ppg, 11 rpg, and 49% from the floor.

Between that, and his career domination of Eddie Curry...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=curryed01

Outscoring Curry, 15.5 to 12.8 ppg, (although Curry did outshoot him, .533 to .529), and outrebounding him by a staggering 6.9 to 5.0 margin...in 13 H2H games.

I wonder how a PRIME Chamberlain would have fared against those two TITANS?

Why do you keep bringing up this irrelevant nonsense?

[jlauber]

Why do you keep bringing up this irrelevant nonsense?

Why do you keep reading it?

[Fatal9]

Of course, Shaq's 96-97 playoff series against Ostertag was a monumental one as well. 22 ppg, 11 rpg, and 49% from the floor.

Between that, and his career domination of Eddie Curry...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=curryed01

Outscoring Curry, 15.5 to 12.8 ppg, (although Curry did outshoot him, .533 to .529), and outrebounding him by a staggering 6.9 to 5.0 margin...in 13 H2H games.

I wonder how a PRIME Chamberlain would have fared against those two TITANS?

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