LeBron doesn't like blowouts because they lower his averages

[pauk]

I missed the part in there that list how many championships he has.....


Seriously fool, Lebron's stats mean NOTHING if he doesn't win atleast 1 chip but realistically he needs to win not 7, not 8.....

I missed the part in there in that explains what a team accomplishment has ANYTHING to do with being clutch?

Seriously fool, how do you discredit such a talented-skilled-productive-dominant player just because he didnt had everything handed to him on a silverplate like Kobe had?

Since when did team accomplishments become the act of ONE MAN?

If it is the act of ONE MAN... can you then please explain how somebody like Kobe won championships? He has been less clutch, less productive, less dominant in the playoffs..............

Can you tell me how somebody like Kobe could win championships with these choking numbers:

37-97 .360% in game 7's
38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games
66-163 .400% to win finals mvp.. lowest fg% for any Finals MVP
14-56 .250% game winning shots
yup
Kobe

the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ...

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?...

Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Playoffs/Final Stats or Clutch stats there are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

[Fudge]

Guys guys, pauk's european. Stats is the only going for him for LeBron if they aren't his actual ball games. Simmer down.

[White Mamba]

won't be surprised if the video is pulled later on today.

[pauk]

Guys guys, pauk's european. Stats is the only going for him for LeBron if they aren't his actual ball games. Simmer down.

Is that your best response to those facts?

[Jotaro Durant]

Sitting in the 4th quarter masks his in ability to perform at said pressure packed situations. He should be very thankful of blow outs.

[Fudge]

I missed the part in there in that explains what a team accomplishment has ANYTHING to do with being clutch?

Because if he was "clutch", then it would've SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY lead to a championship. Bar none.

Seriously fool, how do you discredit such a talented-skilled-productive-dominant player just because he didnt had everything handed to him on a silverplate like Kobe had?

Talented but not a winner is what everyone puts it as. You're just angry that you can't dispute. Talking about Kobe getting handed everything on a silver plate? At least he was being handed a great team, not running away from one and joining one.

And the rest is just you . Nothing to see here.

[SwooshReturns]

Pauk,

Kobe wasn't a starter until 1999, he had to un-seat an ALL STAR shooting guard who was ahead of him on the roster to earn his position, first.

We know how you have double standards ... we can't compare MJ to LeBron off number of years in the league, you do it by age to justify the comparison or failures. So we'll take the same approach here to make it fair for both parties, shall we?

So if we're going by each of Kobe and LeBron's 3rd year after given the starting position so the context of their roles on the team would be more similar, thus making the comparison more valid this is how it would shake out.

Bolded is the better season. Either due to statistical superiority, or inclusion of context (trip to the finals, performance in playoffs, winning a championship, MVP award, roster worked with, opponent quality faced, etc)


Kobe:.....................LeBron:
2001: 29/7/6..............2006: 31/8/6
2002: 27/6/5..............2007: 25/8/8
2003: 32/5/5..............2008: 28/8/8
2004: 25/5/6..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2005: 28/6/6..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2006: 35/5/5..............2011: 24/8/6

This comparison makes most sense. LeBron entered his prime in 2006, Kobe entered his prime in 2001.

So, ummm ... yea, by my count Kobe has more superior seasons WITH CONTEXT in comparison.

[ImmortalD24]

won't be surprised if the video is pulled later on today.

Here you go: (Audio only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGoe6nuRC9A&

[SonicJam]

Pauk,

Kobe wasn't a starter until 1999, he had to un-seat an ALL STAR shooting guard who was ahead of him on the roster to earn his position, first.

We know how you have double standards ... we can't compare MJ to LeBron off number of years in the league, you do it by age to justify the comparison or failures. So we'll take the same approach here to make it fair for both parties, shall we?

So if we're going by each of Kobe and LeBron's 3rd year after given the starting position so the context of their roles on the team would be more similar, thus making the comparison more valid this is how it would shake out.

Bolded is the better season. Either due to statistical superiority, or inclusion of context (trip to the finals, performance in playoffs, winning a championship, MVP award, roster worked with, opponent quality faced, etc)


Kobe:.....................LeBron:
2001: 29/7/6..............2006: 31/8/6
2002: 27/6/5..............2007: 25/8/8
2003: 32/5/5..............2008: 28/8/8
2004: 25/5/6..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2005: 28/6/6..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2006: 35/5/5..............2011: 24/8/6

This comparison makes most sense. LeBron entered his prime in 2006, Kobe entered his prime in 2001.

So, ummm ... yea, by my count Kobe has more superior seasons WITH CONTEXT in comparison.

2001.. Since when is 29/7/6 better then 31/8/6 ??

Also maybe add the efficiancy into each year and you will see that Lebron still comes out on top even in the seasons you say kobe was better.

[stallionaire]

Here you go: (Audio only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGoe6nuRC9A&

Lol, i like how it's audio only.

When there's a video with it, you can obviously tell he's being funny with his facial expression and prima donna wink.

LeBron haters are ****ing hilarious. They'll do anything to rip on him.

[ImmortalD24]

Lol, i like how it's audio only.

When there's a video with it, you can obviously tell he's being funny with his facial expression and prima donna wink.

LeBron haters are ****ing hilarious. They'll do anything to rip on him.

Eh, ESPN usually goes hard on copyright violations when it's video + audio. I went with just audio here as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxT-3yeNOTM

Don't be a dumbass.

[SwooshReturns]

2001.. Since when is 29/7/6 better then 31/8/6 ??

Since he played ELITE defense (probably the best of his career, which his entire reputation is now based off from this season) defense that rivals Scottie Pippen's best for comparison sake ... where as LeBron was a bad defender in 2006, and pretty average AT BEST defender until 2009.

Kobe had THE BEST "sidekick" performance of all-time in the regular season AND playoffs that season. Even though in 2001 and 2002 he was more CO-ALPHA with Shaq. Even though Shaq fans will refuse to admit it.

Off his performances alone, Kobe won them their most grueling series v.s. the Spurs. Like Shaq was a 2nd option that entire series type stuff.

Kobe won a championship (his 2nd), helped lead a team to an almost perfect playoff win / loss record, and after game 1 v.s. the Sixers ... made MVP, Allen Iverson work for every point he got.

Kobe's 2001 > LeBron's 2006

[pegasus]

"I'm tired of shitting out fourth quarters. It's messing up my averages."

I'm confused. Is he referring to the 2011 finals?

[SlayerEnraged]

I missed the part in there in that explains what a team accomplishment has ANYTHING to do with being clutch?

Seriously fool, how do you discredit such a talented-skilled-productive-dominant player just because he didnt had everything handed to him on a silverplate like Kobe had?

Since when did team accomplishments become the act of ONE MAN?

If it is the act of ONE MAN... can you then please explain how somebody like Kobe won championships? He has been less clutch, less productive, less dominant in the playoffs..............

Can you tell me how somebody like Kobe could win championships with these choking numbers:

37-97 .360% in game 7's
38-108 .352% in title winning games
41% in 37 finals games
66-163 .400% to win finals mvp.. lowest fg% for any Finals MVP
14-56 .250% game winning shots
yup
Kobe

the playoffs are what matter when you really step it up!!!!

Kobe:.......................LeBron:
2011: 23/3/3.......................24/8/6
2010: 29/6/6.......................29/9/8 on 50%
2009: 30/5/6.......................35/9/7 on 51%
2008: 30/6/6.......................28/8/8
2007: 33/5/4.......................25/8/8
2006: 28/6/6.......................31/8/6

Career averages:

Kobe: 25/5/5
LeBron: 28/8/7

LeBron beats Kobe even when comparing a better Kobe want to compare these two at the same stages of their career and see what really happens?

Kobe:.....................LeBron:
1999: 20/7/5..............2006: 31/8/6
2000: 21/5/4..............2007: 25/8/8
2001: 29/7/6..............2008: 28/8/8
2002: 27/6/5..............2009: 35/9/7 on 51%
2003: 32/5/5..............2010: 29/9/8 on 50%
2004: 25/5/6..............2011: 24/8/6

LeBron crushes Kobe.

Now If we are staying on topic and comparing choking jobs...In Kobes 2004 playoff run he shot 41% FG and 25% 3PT ...

LeBron shot 47% FG and 35% 3PT

So I guess its safe to say with all the information gained in this thread...

LeBrons' regular season > Kobe's

LeBron's postseason > Kobe's

LeBron's Finals performance in 2011 is better than all of Kobe's but one. I expect that to be surpassed very soon at the rate LeBron is going.

So once again where is the hate for LeBron coming from when Kobe is worse?

Kobe Kids: Please refrain from using pictures and youtube videos to debate. I like to reason with statistics and facts.

why does LeBron take so much "Heat" when the real choker is Kobe?

Last playoff/final game each year.THE BIG GAMES...Elimination games

Kobe: .................LeBron:
2011: 7-18 39%........9-15 60%

2010: 6-24 25%........8-21 38%

2009: 10-23 44%........8-20 40%

2008: 7-22 32% ......14-29 48%

2007: 13-33 39%......10-30 33%

2006: 8-16 50%.........11-24 46%

2004: 7-21 33%

2003: 9-19 47%

2002: 7-16 44%

2001: 7-18 39%

2000: 8-27 30%

1999: 7-16 44%

1997: 4-14 29%


One has had a longer career than the other.... what we know right now?

Games over 60%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 0

Games over 50%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 1

Games over 45%: LeBron - 3 Kobe - 2

Games under 40%: LeBron - 2 Kobe - 8

Games under 35%: LeBron - 1 Kobe - 5

Games under 30%: LeBron - 0 Kobe - 2 ( should be 3 but 2000 is rounded)

Looks like LeBron is doing ok while kobe chokes it up

Kobes overall finals performance:

09-10 40.5%
08-09 43.0%
07-08 40.5%
03-04 38.1%
01-02 51.4%
00-01 41.5%
99-00 36.7%

Look how terrible Kobe's numbers are (choking!!!)..... LeBrons overall finals performance in 2011:

10-11 47%.... Kobe only had ONE year better than this. Heck Kobe's second best year is 43%...fail!

Also in the Finals LeBron averaged more assists per game than Jason Kidd and almost as many rebounds as Tyson Chandler.

But Kobe blows EVERY finals EVERY SINGLE ONE except for once in 2002? and all the silly Kobe kids ignore that?...

Kobe is overrated and for some reason LeBron gets some undeserved hate when he is a better player than Kobe.

Kobe's Playoffs/Final Stats or Clutch stats there are laughable. Biggest choker/chucker

LOLOL! keep cryin cause Lechoke and Lebrick stinks when it matters. Hey moron, Kobe's an average fg% shooter for the nba. Lebron is above the average in that. You don't need to make Kobe seem worse than he really iis by inflating and using one particularly statistical category multiple times. The one "average" part of Kobe's game has to do with efficiency(mostly fg%)..some of which is to blame on him for shot selection, etc while some of it is having the balls to shoot half court shots at the buzzers and realize that it doesn't matter that that 1 miss is going to dock his fg% by 2-3%. While Kobe weakness is the efficicency/fg% area, Lebrons weakness is MUCH more serious, in that he sucks in half court style of basketball AND pressure situations. Lebron vs. Bown 07:38% shooting finals..Kobe vs Bowen 08: 30ppg, 50% shooting. Lebron:crappy vs any and all Half court paced games. Don't let Lebron get fast break points and he's barely an allstar.

[SwooshReturns]

Also maybe add the efficiancy into each year and you will see that Lebron still comes out on top even in the seasons you say kobe was better.

It's not just statistical performance. Of course a LeBron fan wouldn't understand this ...

Kobe was a vastly superior man defender. That's a player capability. As in it can't be measured in a STAT column. It comes from watching games, and KNOWING what you're watching as well.

Context, player capabilities, role, playoff performance, playoff competition, was your team underdog or defending champs (makes a difference when bums are geared up to play you on a nightly basis) ... you know actual CONTEXT

Kobe's 2001 was easily better than LeBron's 2006.