Kevin Durant in Warrior's collapse

[Bronbron23]

You played injury card, warriors blew Cavs out before injuries in 2016. Your argument is inconsistent and pathetic. You can leave the thread now.

It's no more inconsistent than yours. Warrior Stan's want to excuse 2016 loss because of injuries but don't want to accept that they most likely lose in 2015 of not for Cleveland being hurt. You can't have it both ways. Either way warriors only win one. Winning one chip in 2 year is good bit its not dominating by any stretch.

Steph is nice. Best shooter ever by a mile but he's no where close to lebron or any other atg. Just look at the 2 years you brought up. LeBron loses his 2nd and third best player for the series and he still wins 2 games. Curry just loses his third best player for a game and he can't even get one win. You should be the one leaving the thread curryfan I mean warriorfan

[Bronbron23]

Yep.

Again, for like the millionth time, it isn't KD or nobody. The Warriors were not just going to leave a gaping hole on their roster if they didn't land KD.

They were going to get an upgrade from Barnes for sure. That could have come with a better player or they could have chosen to add depth and add two solid wing / forwards.

The notion that KD was necessary for this team is absurd. He was necessary to for sure win last year, but that was it.

Warriors would be heavy favorites to win in 17...and still would have been slight favorites against the Rockets as well...but by no means would it be a sure thing.

We'll see what happens this year....hopefully they lose and KD leaves.

For sure even if kd dosnt come warriors would still get something else. Whatever it was wouldn't have been as valuable as kd though. What you guys are missing is the fact that the league adjusted pretty quickly. Teams are built now to beat the warriors and they've closed the gap. Also Steph usually gets worse come playoff time. They were lucky to win despite that in 2015. They lost partially because of that in 2016 and they almost lost because of that last year against Houston even with kd.

Kd is gone after this year so we'll find out soon enough. Im willing to bet they don't win another win another one with just there original core and a upgraded bench

[Cali Syndicate]

Ungrateful much? Durant gave your hero two of his rings.

You got it backwards there lil guy

[SpaceJam2]

You got it backwards there lil guy

And saying stuff like this is exactly why he is leaving your crappy franchise.

[Cali Syndicate]

For sure even if kd dosnt come warriors would still get something else. Whatever it was wouldn't have been as valuable as kd though. What you guys are missing is the fact that the league adjusted pretty quickly. Teams are built now to beat the warriors and they've closed the gap. Also Steph usually gets worse come playoff time. They were lucky to win despite that in 2015. They lost partially because of that in 2016 and they almost lost because of that last year against Houston even with kd.

Kd is gone after this year so we'll find out soon enough. Im willing to bet they don't win another win another one with just there original core and a upgraded bench

Everyone takes a dip in the playoffs vs regular season. But curry has been an exceptional playoff performer since 2012. He does typically have a stinker game, sometimes really bad, but if that's how you base that on, you're wrong.

[SpaceJam2]

Everyone takes a dip in the playoffs vs regular season. But curry has been an exceptional playoff performer since 2012. He does typically have a stinker game, sometimes really bad, but if that's how you base that on, you're wrong.

He becomes a magician and does a disappearing act in the Finals every year.

[Cali Syndicate]

And saying stuff like this is exactly why he is leaving your crappy franchise.

Durant is a great player, and no one can take that away from him, but my response isnt wrong. Hes the one that should be thankful to the warriors. There have been plenty of all-time greats without rings, and durant could have easily fallen into that list. Instead, he joined a team that had already won a ship, had stringed together the all-time greatest regular season, and was literally 1 shot from being back to back champions.

#hardestroad, yeah right dude. He had the easiest run to his ships in history if the game.

If he wins one as a knick, cool. Again, he a great player and with tge right support, that can very well happen. But that doesnt change facts.

[Bronbron23]

Everyone takes a dip in the playoffs vs regular season. But curry has been an exceptional playoff performer since 2012. He does typically have a stinker game, sometimes really bad, but if that's how you base that on, you're wrong.

I didn't say he's bad in the playoffs. He's still one of the best on the league but he does in fact get worse relative to his own regular season standards. Hes much less efficient in the playoffs especially deep in the playoffs.

And everyone dosnt get worse come playoff time and very few drop off as much as he does efficiency wise in the finals.

[ImKobe]

Beverley isn't the first short, pesky guard to get up in KD's shooting space and make him uncomfortable. Remember Chris Paul a few years ago? But you'll have morons here talking shit about 'midgets' like Gary Payton and Joe Dumars. Elite perimeter defense requires positioning, anticipation skills, IQ, lateral quickness, hustle and passion. Anything above that is a bonus.

The Chris Paul thing only worked for one game, he put up 39/16/5 in the close-out game and averaged 33/10/5 on 61%TS for the series. You can't shut him down for an entire series in his prime lol, he was passive in this game and it worked for the most part, he shared the ball & got to the FT line, shot a high FG% and they were doing just fine until half-way in the 3rd quarter. I wouldn't be surprised if he put up 35/10/5 next game.

[Cali Syndicate]

He becomes a magician and does a disappearing act in the Finals every year.

Lebron wasnt that great in his first 2 finals either. So does your statement apply to him as well?

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron wasnt that great in his first 2 finals either. So does your statement apply to him as well?

Understatement bro, he was absolutely dreadful, the 2 worst series of his career Curry was only that bad in 2016

[Cali Syndicate]

I didn't say he's bad in the playoffs. He's still one of the best on the league but he does in fact get worse relative to his own regular season standards. Hes much less efficient in the playoffs especially deep in the playoffs.

And everyone dosnt get worse come playoff time and very few drop off as much as he does efficiency wise in the finals.

Raw efficiency? Almost every star player does definitely dip and even more so in the finals. But if you're talking in terms of TS%, then that is probably true. And reason for that is curry doesn't get to the line at the rate of other stars so he isn't able to offset the decrease in his raw % to show he is an efficient scorer. That's a big differnce when comparing his efficiency to other stars, cause if hes having a bad shooting night, other stars will attack to get to the line (10/30 shooting but 11/12 ft will still result as an efficient scorer)Curry will live and die with his game, its a double edged sword. It seems hes developing this part of the game last 2 years but to average double digit fts is not ever going to be his fortay.

[DMAVS41]

For sure even if kd dosnt come warriors would still get something else. Whatever it was wouldn't have been as valuable as kd though. What you guys are missing is the fact that the league adjusted pretty quickly. Teams are built now to beat the warriors and they've closed the gap. Also Steph usually gets worse come playoff time. They were lucky to win despite that in 2015. They lost partially because of that in 2016 and they almost lost because of that last year against Houston even with kd.

Kd is gone after this year so we'll find out soon enough. Im willing to bet they don't win another win another one with just there original core and a upgraded bench

Of course it wouldn't have been as good as KD in a vacuum. However, the team actually might have been as good or better even with lesser players instead.

Again, this is a team that won 67, a title, then 73, and was within a couple plays of another title...with Harrison Barnes playing a huge role.

The notion that this team wasn't going to win again after 2016 (not saying you are claiming this) is absurd. They would be sitting on at least another title post 16 and would have a solid chance at 2.

People forget just how good they were before KD...and aren't realizing how much of an upgrade certain players would have been over Barnes to begin with.

Using future years beyond this one as indicative of what would have happened isn't really fair either as they are all older now.

Bottom line...is that with or without KD...this Warriors team was going to win 3 to 4 titles over this 5 year span...which is why the entire basketball world laughed at KD when he joined them...and has continued to laugh since.

[Bronbron23]

Of course it wouldn't have been as good as KD in a vacuum. However, the team actually might have been as good or better even with lesser players instead.

Again, this is a team that won 67, a title, then 73, and was within a couple plays of another title...with Harrison Barnes playing a huge role.

The notion that this team wasn't going to win again after 2016 (not saying you are claiming this) is absurd. They would be sitting on at least another title post 16 and would have a solid chance at 2.

People forget just how good they were before KD...and aren't realizing how much of an upgrade certain players would have been over Barnes to begin with.

Using future years beyond this one as indicative of what would have happened isn't really fair either as they are all older now.

Bottom line...is that with or without KD...this Warriors team was going to win 3 to 4 titles over this 5 year span...which is why the entire basketball world laughed at KD when he joined them...and has continued to laugh since.

I'm not sure they do win another one without kd. Out of the 4 or 5 years they were together without him they only won one. it was somewhat of a struggle at that even though cle was missing there 2nd and third best players. the following year was one of the biggest choke jobs ever. Maybe they win 2017 but definitely not last year. Especially if cp3 doesn't get hurt. As I said the league has caught up to them. Durant is definitely leaving so the answer will reveal itself soon enough.

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron wasnt that great in his first 2 finals either. So does your statement apply to him as well?

First Four finals
Curry: 0 FMVP (0/4)
James: 2 FMVP (2/4)

And do we really need to bring in their teammates? Are we really comparing the 2007 Cavaliers roster to 2015 Warriors?

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