Kobe forgive them

[AintNoSunshine]

Forgive your teammates for they don't know where the testicles go, and forgive Dantoni for he doesn't know where anything goes

you kobe stans in deep down is thanking god for breaking kobe's heel, it saves him from the embarrassment of getting swept again

[VIntageNOvel]

Forgive April 2013 too lordbe

ive never been so peaceful my entire life

[Bandito]

"the man" term is thrown around so lightly in this board, they like to brag about how lebron was "the man" last year playoffs truth is, lebron was "the man" in cleveland, not applicable in miami

Lebron was surely the wo "man" in that team

[NBASTATMAN]

Not really. He shoots and he shoots some more. Every now and then has an intense dunk. Their team was still discombobulated with him though, broken plays, isolations, offense and defense was shaky

Come on.. With Kobe they are much more fun to watch. But I agree their defense was shaky as hell with Kobe and Nash starting.. Too bad Meeks got hurt and they won't play both Meeks and Blake together. They both do a decent job of staying in front of their man. Nash is a great player but he is looks hurt and that is not going to help this team. He should come off the bench...

[Ne 1]

Lakers 0-2 this season with Kobe against SA brah. Only win they had this season against Timmy D and crew was when Bean was on the sidelines tweeting brah.

Kobe 5-2 vs SA in the playoffs.

[Ne 1]

What about Kobe's 01 ring?

29/7/6 47fg/56ts Playoffs
32/7/6 52fg First 3 rounds (11-0 record)
33/7/7 51fg WCF
35/9/4 47fg 2nd round

Just because he wasn't the "man", that makes Duncan's 05 and 07 rings better because he was the man?

24/12/3 46fg/53ts 05 Playoffs
22/12/3 52fg/57ts 07 Playoffs

Exactly. Kobe was a top 2-3 player in 01' and 02'. Who cares if he was playing with a slightly better player at the time. What matters is the strength of the team as a whole.

Yes, it's true that Kobe was not quite as good or valuable as Shaq at the time. Kobe was the best player in the Spurs series in 2001 and 2002, however and in 2001 against the Blazers and Kings and 2002 against the Kings they were Co-MVPs. Kobe was also the second best player in the entire 2001 and 2002 playoffs, and many considered him the second best player in the entire league at the time. The only reason I'm hesitant to agree is because Duncan was in the league. Either way, Kobe's performances during the 2001 and 2002 playoffs was better than some championship team's first option which is why you can't just judge rings as "first option rings" or "second option rings" without context. The consensus during these years was that Shaq was the best player in the NBA, but if you try using that to discredit Kobe then you also have to remember that the consensus was that Kobe was the second best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. The gap was much larger in 2000, but Kobe was still a top 10 player, imo and probably the best shooting guard in the league. The 3-peat Lakers were not a typical championship team, because there was no 3rd All-Star caliber player, or even really a 3rd scoring option save for 2000 with an aging Glen Rice in that role putting up 12/4/2 on 41% shooting in the playoffs. This left plenty of room for Kobe to play his game and produce like a first option himself with Derek Fisher or Rick Fox as the closest thing the team had to a 3rd option in 2001 and 2002. Neither were scoring options. The offense went through Shaq first, but Kobe didn't have to take a backseat like Wade has the last 2 seasons because there was no Chris Bosh, much less a Ray Allen now as well, and because Kobe was improving, not declining like Wade.

In short; Kobe being #2 to Shaq should hurt him in no way. Kobe was still in the argument for being among the best players in the league, he was the most productive #2 option in NBA history and arguably the 2nd best player in the league in 2001 and 2002 behind Shaq. Calling him a "sidekick" in '01 and even '02 doesn't do his level of play justice although Shaq was definitely the best player on the team, but labeling Kobe's rings in 2001 and 2002 as just "2 option rings" is diminishing what he actually was ... it was far more a two headed monster in LA in 2001/2002 than it was just Shaq, and his little Robin aka Kobe Bryant. Especially considering the fact that the 3-peat Lakers weren't that talented outside of Kobe and Shaq and relied HEAVILY on them as a duo.

[INDI]

Even better, Tim has won four rings as the man, while Kobe has won two.

I say Tim definitely ranks higher than Kobe.

Actually Parker won one of those fmvp's brah


Kobe has only played second fiddle to Shaq, who happened to be th strongest player in nba history and was in his prime. Even with that Kobe still rose to be his equal.

[Nick Young]

What about Kobe's 01 ring?

29/7/6 47fg/56ts Playoffs
32/7/6 52fg First 3 rounds (11-0 record)
33/7/7 51fg WCF
35/9/4 47fg 2nd round

Just because he wasn't the "man", that makes Duncan's 05 and 07 rings better because he was the man?

24/12/3 46fg/53ts 05 Playoffs
22/12/3 52fg/57ts 07 Playoffs

these numbers are incomprehensible to the eyes of man. Kobe is great. Kobe is great

[Bandito]

Actually Parker won one of those fmvp's brah


Kobe has only played second fiddle to Shaq, who happened to be th strongest player in nba history and was in his prime. Even with that Kobe still rose to be his equal.

People pretends that if Lebron and Shaq play together Lebron won't play second fiddle to that monster

[JellyBean]

Forgive your teammates for they don't know where the testicles go, and forgive Dantoni for he doesn't know where anything goes

And let the congregation say AMEN!!!

[thabisyo]

Forgive April 2013 too lordbe

You are truly the best. Dude u just make incredible punch lines

[Anaximandro1]

You still butthurt after the years of Kobe destroying prime Duncan and prime Manu like they were nobodies and destroying san antonio playoff dreams year after year?

The difference between Spurs and Lakers (1999-2004) was Derek Fisher's miracle shot.

Remove prime Shaq -> Kobe finishes with a losing record (0-5)


prime Duncan's averages against prime Shaq's Lakers:

29.0/10.8/3.3/2.0 (WCSF 1999) -> Spurs (4-0)

23.0/12.3/4.3/4.3 (WCF 2001) -> Lakers (4-0)

29.0/17.2/4.6/3.2 (WCSF 2002) -> Lakers (4-1)

28.0/11.8/4.8/1.3 (WCSF 2003) -> Spurs (4-2)

20.7/12.2/3.3/1.7 (WCSF 2004) -> Lakers (4-2)

Just because he wasn't the "man", that makes Duncan's 05 and 07 rings better because he was the man?

24/12/3 46fg/53ts 05 Playoffs
22/12/3 52fg/57ts 07 Playoffs

Get a clue

Prime Duncan Playoff Stats (Excluding First Round)

(1998-2007) -> 25.0 pt/13.0 rb/3.4 as/2.7 blk FG (50.5%) / Spurs scored 93.2 ppg (96 games/ Record 59 -37)


1998 21.8/8.4/1.2/1.6 (Games 5) / Spurs scored 84.8 ppg

1999 24.6/11.7/2.7/2.5 (Games 13) / Spurs scored 88.9 ppg

2001 25.2/15.1/3.9/3.0 (Games 9) / Spurs scored 92.9 ppg

2002 29.0/17.2/4.6/3.2 (Games 5) / Spurs 85.8 ppg

2003 26.7/15.2/5.3/3.2 (Games 18) / Spurs 96.2 ppg

2004 20.7/12.2/3.3/1.7 (Games 6) / Spurs 83.8 ppg

2005 24.0/12.8/2.6/2.2 (Games 18) / Spurs 95.9 ppg

2006 32.3/11.7/3.7/2.6 (Games 7) / Spurs 99.9 ppg

2007 22.9/11.7/2.5/3.2 (Games 15) / Spurs 96.1 ppg

-Kobe didn't make the All NBA First Team until 2002

-2004 Pistons defeat the Lakers.Kobe has the 2nd worst final performance in the history

-2005 Spurs defeat the Pistons.Duncan wins FMVP (Tim is the top scorer/rebounder in the 2005 finals)

-2007 Spurs defeat the best team in the league (Suns 4-2) -> Duncan 26.8 pt/13.7 rb/1.2as/4.2 blk FG (57.3%)

All-NBA First Team Selections (1998-2007)

Duncan = 9 (1998-2005), (2007)

Kobe = 5 (2002-2004), (2005-2007)

Where is Kobe?

GM Survey: If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?

2002
1. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers
2. Tim Duncan,San Antonio

2003
1. Tim Duncan,San Antonio
2. Shaquille O'Neal,L.A. Lakers

2004
1 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 47.6%
2 Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 28.6%
3 LeBron James, Cleveland 14.3%
4 Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 9.5

2005
1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 40.0%
2. LeBron James, Cleveland 36.0%
3. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami 8.0%
4. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix 8.0%

2006
1 LeBron James, Cleveland 71.4%
2 Dwyane Wade, Miami 10.7%

2007
1. LeBron James, Cleveland 59.3%
2. Dwight Howard, Orlando 25.9%
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio 11.1%
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 11.1%
5. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 3.7%

Kobe is better since 2008 (Duncan turned 32 years old)