Kobe Bryant or Dirk Nowitzki who's the bigger finals choker

**Deuce Bigalow** · 11-13-2011, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

Cmon dude.

Kobe was far from the only reason LA lost in 08 but he did play poorly in that series especially in 4/6 games so yeah his play was part of the reason they lost.

We both Know Kobe has had series where he's played really well but 2008 wasn't one of them.

I bet you just look at FG% to determine if he had a "bad" game huh

**32Dayz** · 11-13-2011, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Legends66NBA7

I would question his shot selection the most for the 08 Finals. They were pretty much outmatched after that but a loss is a loss. That team gave up in Game 6 and Kobe didn't show in that game either.

**Jacks3** · 11-13-2011, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jacks3

2001 Finals: 25/8/5/2/2 including 27/9/6/54% TS in the last 4 games.
Against the #1 defense in the league.

2002 Finals:27/6/5/2/1/61% TS.
#2 defense in the league.

2008 Finals:26/6/5/3/1/52% TS.
#1 defense in the league. Top 5 defense ever.

2009 Finals:32/7/6/2/54% TS/29 PER.
#1 defense in the league.

2010 Finals:29/8/4/2/1/26 PER
#1 defense in the league.

Huge numbers and doing it against #1 defenses year after year.

lol @ that moron Cuntiva.

**kuniva_dAMiGhTy** · 11-13-2011, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Jacks3

lol @ that moron Cuntiva.

**Deuce Bigalow** · 11-13-2011, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, clutch plays like in game 3 and 5

I knew it, you just look at FG%

**Legends66NBA7** · 11-13-2011, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

Pretty much. I didn't expect that team coming back after Game 4 blowing the lead they did.

**32Dayz** · 11-13-2011, 03:58 AM

@ Bigelow

Stats (2008 Finalz) over Games (1,4,5,6) (4 Bad Games)
22 / 4.25 / 5.25 | 34%FG

It was a bad series.

**KingLeBronJames** · 11-13-2011, 03:59 AM

Kobe's bad shot selection was his weakness during his younger years. Now that he improved his shot selection a little bit, he's still hasn't done well cause of his age. Still, Kobe is a great player. But who expects Kobe to dominate in the Finals at his old age scoring wise? Look at Michael Jordan. He sucked during the 2nd 3peat. Jordan was a choker in the Finals too during the 2nd 3peat Championship years. Dwyane Wade won't even be dominate when he hits 30. And that's the truth. But Jordan and Kobe did other things to help the team win. It's just not about scoring points, idiots.

**TMacsOneGoodEye** · 11-13-2011, 04:01 AM

When you have a ring, or rings (plural) in Kobe's case, it's pretty much impossible to be called a choker. Especially when you have had the post-season heroics that Kobe and Dirk have had.

**32Dayz** · 11-13-2011, 04:01 AM

Jordan was already 29 by the end of his first 3Peat and 32 by the start of the second one.

30 is not really considered old and these days with our advanced science well conditioned guards probably shouldn't even start declining your 32 or 33.

**32Dayz** · 11-13-2011, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by TMacsOneGoodEye

When you have a ring, or rings (plural) in Kobe's case, it's pretty much impossible to be called a choker. Especially when you have had the post-season heroics that Kobe and Dirk have had.

Are you implying that a player cant be heroic at times and also choke at times?

Lebron was pretty clutch in the 2011 ECF VS the Bullz then he chocked against the Mavs.

See what I mean?

One can be "Heroic" at times in a long Career and also Chock or play poorly in multiple Finals Appearances.

**Deuce Bigalow** · 11-13-2011, 04:09 AM

Kobe and Dirk are not chokers

**32Dayz** · 11-13-2011, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow

Kobe and Dirk are not chokers

They have both Chocked before so thats not really true.

Cmon.. Kobe in 2004 and Dirk in 2007 definitely Chocked hard.

I'd argue Kobe also Chocked in 00 and 08 but that's just my opinion.

**Deuce Bigalow** · 11-13-2011, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by 32Dayz

They have both Chocked before so thats not really true.

Cmon.. Kobe in 2004 and Dirk in 2007 definitely Chocked hard.

I'd argue Kobe also Chocked in 00 and 08 but that's just my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdZo77adjUE

didnt choke

and they are not chokers you moron

**32Dayz** · 11-13-2011, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdZo77adjUE

didnt choke

and they are not chokers you moron

So because he had one good game that cancels out the 4 other crapfests?

He was dominating the ball and the offense and not producing which directly f**k** his team over.

Want me to post his stats over those 4 games?

Kobe in 4/5 Games 2004 Finalz
20 / 3 / 3.75 on 33%

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