Larry Bird vs MJ = 23 wins-11 losses; Isiah Thomas vs MJ = 36 wins-29 losses

[k0kakw0rld]

Both playoffs and regular season

So according to many here

Kobe > Duncan because of the records

so Bird and Isiah > Jordan?

[tpols]

OP vs heterosexuality = 0 wins, 1 loss

[Marchesk]

It's almost as if team context matters.

[3ball]

Count their all-star teammates during those years:

Bird and Isiah - 4 all-star teammates each..... MJ - zero...

Now what's their records once MJ got just 1 all-star - MJ destroyed them..

MJ almost carried 6-seeded bums to the Finals in 89' and was the most unbeatable player WITH a cast - the only top 10 player that never lost as the 1 or 2 seed (6-0).. whereas Kareem lost 9 times as a 1 or 2 seed.. bird, magic and lebron 6 times each, etc, etc.

[k0kakw0rld]

OP vs heterosexuality = 0 wins, 1 loss

tpols's mouth vs my dick = 0 wins, 10 losses

[k0kakw0rld]

Count their all-star teammates during those years:

Bird and Isiah - 4 all-star teammates each..... MJ - zero...

Now what's their records once MJ got just 1 all-star - MJ destroyed them..

MJ was the most undefeatable player ever with a cast - the only top 10 player that never lost as the 1 or 2 seed (6-0).. whereas Kareem lost 9 times as a 1 or 2 seed.. bird, magic and lebron 6 times each, etc, etc.

This is exactly LeBron vs Celtics and Warriors.

He couldn't beat Pierce, Garnett, Ray and Rondo. So he joined forces with Wade and Bosh. It was more Wade and LeBron than a Big 3.

He only had a true all star next to him in Kyrie when he played the 15 Warriors, 16 Warriors (as it was a two men show).

If Bird, Magic and Jordan all came the same year. (No way MJ gets 6 rings).

[3ball]

This is exactly LeBron vs Celtics and Warriors.

He couldn't beat Pierce, Garnett, Ray and Rondo. So he joined forces with Wade and Bosh. It was more Wade and LeBron than a Big 3.

He only had a true all star next to him in Kyrie when he played the 15 Warriors, 16 Warriors (as it was a two men show).

[COLOR="Navy"]If Bird, Magic and Jordan all came the same year. (No way MJ gets 6 rings)[/COLOR].

MJ would've been 13/13 or very close if he had Magic or Bird's cast..

Magic and Bird both concede that their casts were much better than mj's 3-peat casts.. Isiah says the same thing:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=393128


The reality is that MJ won with less (only 1 all-star teammate) and would've been unfathomable with 2 like lebron had to face the Spurs and Warriors

Heck, Lebron teamed up with Wade.. .. that alone gave him the most talent in the league and he was favored against the Spurs.. against the Warriors, he had another big 3 that was favored in 15' before kyrie went down

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ would've been 13/13 or very close if he had Magic or Bird's cast..

Magic and Bird both concede that their casts were much better than mj's 3-peat casts.. Isiah says the same thing:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=393128


The reality is that MJ won with less (only 1 all-star teammate) and would've been unfathomable with 2 like lebron had to face the Spurs and Warriors

Heck, Lebron teamed up with Wade.. .. that alone gave him the most talent in the league and he was favored against the Spurs.. against the Warriors, he had another big 3 that was favored in 15' before kyrie went down

The Spurs and Warriors were favorites in '14 & '15. And sorry, having the 2014 version of Wade is not the most talent in the league

[3ball]

The Spurs and Warriors were favorites in '14 & '15.

The 15' Cavs were favorites until Kyrie went down:

April 18, 2015

Golden State starts its playoff journey with future odds of 5-to-2 to win the NBA Championship at the Westgate Las Vegas Superbook, trailing the Cleveland Cavaliers at 9-to-5.

https://m.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talk...review-warrio/

And the Spurs were tiny favorites, not record favorites, like the beatdown that took place

The reality is that MJ won with less (only 1 all-star teammate) and would've been unfathomable with 2 like lebron had to face the Spurs and Warriors

And sorry, having the 2014 version of Wade is not the most talent in the league

98' MJ won with Kukoc at PF and Pippen banged up:

D Wade in 14' ECF:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.8 on 55%
Pippen in 98' ECF:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 40%

Lebron-ball was simply the vastly inferior brand that got figured-out and overtaken in the 14' Finals, so teammates will always play poorly when that happens.. lebron didn't play well either when games were being contested.. It's a documented fact that he just padded that series, and had the power to do so as the team's ball-dominator

Btw, Wade was 32 years old and an all-star for 2 more years after 2014, while 98' pippen was 33 and wasn't an all-star after 98'.

[TheCorporation]

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[k0kakw0rld]

It's almost as if team context matters.

It only matters when the argument favors you or the player you support. (And this is for everybody).

[3ball]

Y

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what's their records once MJ got just 1 all-star?

MJ almost never lost when he had an all-star teammate - only when that teammate had a migraine in game 7 or if MJ was playing baseball

Whereas lebron loses a shit-ton with 2 all-stars, let alone 1..

So he loses more than a goat should - 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), compared to zero for the real goat (most unbeatable player)

[Hey Yo]

what's their records once MJ got just 1 all-star?

MJ almost never lost when he had an all-star teammate - only when that teammate had a migraine in game 7 or if MJ was playing baseball

Whereas lebron loses a shit-ton with 2 all-stars, let alone 1..

So he loses more than a goat should - 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), compared to zero for the real goat (most unbeatable player)

Orlando Woolridge put up better numbers in 1986 playoffs than both Wade and Bosh did in 2014 Finals. Oakley's 10-10 >>>>>>> Bosh's 14-5

MJ had 2 perennial All-Stars in 1986. Easily had more help than LeBron had in 2014.

[FKAri]

what's their records once MJ got just 1 all-star?

MJ almost never lost when he had an all-star teammate - only when that teammate had a migraine in game 7 or if MJ was playing baseball

Whereas lebron loses a shit-ton with 2 all-stars, let alone 1..

So he loses more than a goat should - 6 times with 1 or 2 seeds (squads), compared to zero for the real goat (most unbeatable player)

And what's MJ's record before Pippen, again? Oh right

[Shaquille O'Neal]

The 15' Cavs were favorites until Kyrie went down:

April 18, 2015

Golden State starts its playoff journey with future odds of 5-to-2 to win the NBA Championship at the Westgate Las Vegas Superbook, trailing the Cleveland Cavaliers at 9-to-5.

https://m.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talk...review-warrio/

And the Spurs were tiny favorites, not record favorites, like the beatdown that took place

The reality is that MJ won with less (only 1 all-star teammate) and would've been unfathomable with 2 like lebron had to face the Spurs and Warriors





98' MJ won with Kukoc at PF and Pippen banged up:

D Wade in 14' ECF:[COLOR=White].[/COLOR] 19.8 on 55%
Pippen in 98' ECF:[COLOR=White].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 40%

Lebron-ball was simply the vastly inferior brand that got figured-out and overtaken in the 14' Finals, so teammates will always play poorly when that happens.. lebron didn't play well either when games were being contested.. It's a documented fact that he just padded that series, and had the power to do so as the team's ball-dominator

Btw, Wade was 32 years old and an all-star for 2 more years after 2014, while 98' pippen was 33 and wasn't an all-star after 98'.

You forget - Pippen wasn't an all-star in '98. Only Jordan from the Bulls in 1998. He won the FMVP and his 6th ring without another all-star that year.