Say Dennis Rodman never joined the Bulls...

[97 bulls]

OTOH, giving credit to any Bull player except Mike for the second threepeat is common among you LeStans. Obvious agenda is obvious.

Correct me if im wrong, but he seemed to be giving credit to Rodman.

[JT123]

OTOH, giving credit to any Bull player except Mike for the second threepeat is common among you LeStans. Obvious agenda is obvious.

You're right, Rodman could have been replaced by any serviceable PF and MJ still would have 3 peated.
Hell replace Bosh with Reggie Evans and Lebron still wins back to back. Third options are easily replaceable. Plus Evans would have given the Heat a toughness that Bosh was never able to bring to the table.

[97 bulls]

They could've won with a lesser player. But definitely not 70 or 69.

[TheMan]

They could've won with a lesser player. But definitely not 70 or 69.

That's what I'm trying to say

[TheMan]

You're right, Rodman could have been replaced by any serviceable PF and MJ still would have 3 peated.
Hell replace Bosh with Reggie Evans and Lebron still wins back to back. Third options are easily replaceable. Plus Evans would have given the Heat a toughness that Bosh was never able to bring to the table.

You won't get an argument from me...the Heat won back to back because they got sold contributions from everyone but without LeBron, they aren't winning back to back titles...same with the Bulls and MJ in all their 6 chips

[guy]

You're right, Rodman could have been replaced by any serviceable PF and MJ still would have 3 peated.
Hell replace Bosh with Reggie Evans and Lebron still wins back to back. Third options are easily replaceable. Plus Evans would have given the Heat a toughness that Bosh was never able to bring to the table.

You might be right. But good chance Lebron also probably wouldn't feel that was enough for him to win and give up/play passive/drag down the confidence of his team as a result. He's been prone to do that in the past.

[Hey Yo]

That's fine... His all-star and dpoy days were still LONG GONE

And his playoff numbers were pedestrian - 35-year old Rodman averaged 5/11 on 41% in the playoffs for his entire run with the Bulls (1996-1998)..

This 5/11 included 3/8 for the entire 1997 playoffs and 1998 Finals.

Sure, he played good D and all.... but.... All the Bulls needed to win rings was an 11/8 guy that played decent D (Horace).

The Bulls were more of a threat/used it more from 3pt land during their second 3-peat. That's why a younger Horace Grant worked very well for the first 3-peat. He was getting more looks down low to score and getting to the line more often.

Being more of a threat from 3pt land, Rodman wasn't needed to get fed down low for scoring. All he had to do was rebound and look for put-backs.

[Hey Yo]

You might be right. But good chance Lebron also probably wouldn't feel that was enough for him to win and give up/play passive/drag down the confidence of his team as a result. He's been prone to do that in the past.

You mean like he did this past postseason with the perfect opportunity to do so?

[guy]

You mean like he did this past postseason with the perfect opportunity to do so?

I didn't say he always does that. I said there's a good chance.

Another thing is it's not a great comparison. Bosh does a lot of different things that Evans doesn't do, and the Heat were a lot closer to losing in 13 then the Bulls ever were.

[Legends66NBA7]

They could've won with a lesser player. But definitely not 70 or 69.

Rodman missed 18 games during the 72 win team and 27 games during the 69 win team. I think they still win thay many if a good replacement player was selected. Oakley and Mason would do, especially in the playoffs.

The 98 team though, they definitely needed Rodman for all 80 games with Pippen missing so much time.

[Hey Yo]

I didn't say he always does that. I said there's a good chance.

Another thing is it's not a great comparison. Bosh does a lot of different things that Evans doesn't do, and the Heat were a lot closer to losing in 13 then the Bulls ever were.

But why say there's a good chance when the best example could have came 2mos. ago.?

What so-called "past times" are you referring to?

[Fallen Angel]

Bulls would finish with 4. I could see them beating Orlando and Seattle in 1996, but in 1997 and 1998 then would lose to the Utah Jazz in the NBA Finals.

People who try and underrate Dennis Rodman's impact to the game have never watched him and only focus on his box score stats. Dennis Rodman was a world class irritant that disrupted Shaq during the 1996 Eastern Conference Playoffs and Karl Malone in the NBA Finals to the point where they both fell to the Bulls.

Bringing up stats doesn't do credit to the player that Dennis Rodman was. Without him the Bulls' frontcourt would be worthless, guys like Karl Malone would feast on them.

[guy]

But why say there's a good chance when the best example could have came 2mos. ago.?

What so-called "past times" are you referring to?

2010, 2011 for example. We aren't talking about 2015, we are talking about his time with the Heat, so why would 2 months be the best example?

[guy]

Rodman missed 18 games during the 72 win team and 27 games during the 69 win team. I think they still win thay many if a good replacement player was selected. Oakley and Mason would do, especially in the playoffs.

The 98 team though, they definitely needed Rodman for all 80 games with Pippen missing so much time.

Good point. Also, alot of people don't seem to remember how much of a distraction Rodman was. He had multiple multiple game suspensions, he was always in the headlines for reasons besides basketball, shit he literally wrestled for WCW in the middle of the 98 Finals. There was a time in 97 when some people speculated they would be better off without him and a lot of people thought he wouldn't be back in 98. Sure, there were times when the Bulls fed off his eccentric energy, but there were also times the Bulls might've been better off with a more stable but less talented player PF in his place. It didn't really matter much cause the Bulls had the leadership to handle it either way. But let's not act like every great team would've been able to deal with that. It really was no surprise that after the Bulls, his last few NBA stints ended abruptly.

[Hey Yo]

2010, 2011 for example. We aren't talking about 2015, we are talking about his time with the Heat, so why would 2 months be the best example?

2010.... when he was hurt in game 5 but yet put up 27-19-10 in must win game 6?

2011....when it was obviously agreed (right before the Finals) that Wade would be the first option and James would lay back to let Wade shine........and it completely backfired in their face.