Miami Cavaliers are back!

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Does not detract from the point that Lebron NEVER WON until he joined up with them, who are stars despite what you want to make yourself believe. Everyone needs help, no one does it on their own, especially not Lebron.

If the Heat do lose this year, you can use the idea that Wade and Bosh are not stars anymore, but it also means Lebron cant win **** by himself.

You would have a point if Lebron played with a talented cast prior to Miami, but he played on a talentless scrub cast on Cleveland. Also Bosh was never a star and Wade no longer is a star.

I never claimed Lebron can win by himself. No player can. I was responding to when you said Lebron needs Wade to win...he doesn't. There are more talented and better fits out there than a rapidly aging Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh (not to mention a terrible coach in Spo).

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Lebron without Wade - 0 rings
Lebron with Wade - 2 rings

He needed Wade and he needed Bosh to get his rings. Its like how everyone uses the fact that Kobe won his rings when he had help (more impressively because he normally had one other star over Lebrons 2).

This logic makes no sense. So because he could not win with Mo Williams as his 2nd option he needs Wade and Bosh to win?

You do realize there are more talented and better fit teammates for Lebron than Wade, right?

Replace Blake Griffin with Lebron and that Clippers team is better than this big 3 Miami team. Had he went to Chicago that team would have been even better than this big 3 Miami.

As for Kobe he could not even win a playoff series in his prime without Gasol or Shaq or get better than a 7th seed. Not to mention Gasol out performed Kobe for large parts of the title runs, while Lebron has easily out performed Wade and Bosh.

[RedBlackAttack]

You would have a point if Lebron played with a talented cast prior to Miami, but he played on a talentless scrub cast on Cleveland. Also Bosh was never a star and Wade no longer is a star.

I never claimed Lebron can win by himself. No player can. I was responding to when you said Lebron needs Wade to win...he doesn't. There are more talented and better fits out there than a rapidly aging Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh (not to mention a terrible coach in Spo).

Those teams better not have a point guard on the roster... because, you know... they're worthless.

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But what I truly don't understand is with the only two centers on the team out, with the addition of Wade and Haslem, why the hell didn't Lebron take it upon himself to guard Z-bo at any point tonight? Even for a single minute? The loss isn't on him in any way, but as the biggest most physically dominant player on your team how can you sit on the perimeter and guard the likes of Courtney Lee and James Johnson all night? Can anybody explain this to me?

The reason is that Lebron is the entire offense...he has little energy left. Guarding Z-bo would be very draining. If other players stepped up on offense he could expend more energy on defense.

[Mr. Jabbar]

time to pickup that phone bran

[Crimsonrain777]

First of all, Lebron's game tonight wasn't really about making his teammates look good like he usually does. Instead guys were doing it on their own, and as a result guys like Cole and Chalmers were just losing the ball left and right against Memphis' great perimeter defense. Lebron proceeded to create much of his points of isolations and a seldom nice cut. Not exactly good for the team at large. Bosh isn't a physical four, and that was exposed once again tonight with one of the toughest front courts in the league.

But what I truly don't understand is with the only two centers on the team out, with the addition of Wade and Haslem, why the hell didn't Lebron take it upon himself to guard Z-bo at any point tonight? Even for a single minute? The loss isn't on him in any way, but as the biggest most physically dominant player on your team how can you sit on the perimeter and guard the likes of Courtney Lee and James Johnson all night? Can anybody explain this to me?

i'm guessing they didn't want to tire him out. the majority of the time, the offense runs through him and the last thing spo wanted to do was exhaust the crap out of him dealing with Z-Bo's post game. nobody else on the heat team could create for themselves besides Bosh every now and then

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Those teams better not have a point guard on the roster... because, you know... they're worthless.

LOL good reference.

Rose is worthless now that he is massively overpaid not to mention injured (plus provides little spacing so he doesn't fit well with Lebron), but Chicago's front court of Noah and Gibson is amazing. Add Lebron to this year's Chicago team without Rose and they win the title easily. That front court is why Chicago with Lebron would be better than the big 3 Miami squad. Plus a much better coach.

As for CP3 he is one of the true PGs that are legit. He is a top distributor, good defender, nice efficient scorer, can shoot so he can space it out unlike Wade, and even helps out some of the boards. He is one of the best PGs of all time. LA also has a good center in Jordan unlike Miami. Though I'd argue that a Lebron-Griffin-Jordan core would be even better than the CP3-Lebron-Jordan core but Lebron and CP3 are best friends so if he ended up in LA I don't see tbat core happening.

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you forgot to add:
Wade without Lebron - 1 ring 1 FMVP

Correction: Wade with Shaq= 1 ring

Prime Wade without Shaq or Lebron= nothing but low seeded first round losses or missed playoffs

[MVBallin2K]

This is pretty much what anyone should expect when most of the cap space is taken up by three players. You're only going to have a short window you can win championships and this current Heat team are approaching theirs.

You gotta take the good with the bad. Miami put together a dynasty team and you got two (maybe three if they can pull it together) championships. Any more, you should be thankful for, not entitled to. Very few teams threepeat so if they pull that off then celebrate that. All the Heat fans were ready for the ride when it happened but you gotta take the downfall too when the wheels start to fall off. It's the end of the season, the playoffs are what will tell the real story.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

This Miami team is pure trash outside of Bron, Bosh and Wade included.
just shit players everywhere.
Birdman is probably the second most valuable player and that says everything

[RedBlackAttack]

This is pretty much what anyone should expect when most of the cap space is taken up by three players. You're only going to have a short window you can win championships and this current Heat team are approaching theirs.

You gotta take the good with the bad. Miami put together a dynasty team and you got two (maybe three if they can pull it together) championships. Any more, you should be thankful for, not entitled to. Very few teams threepeat so if they pull that off then celebrate that. All the Heat fans were ready for the ride when it happened but you gotta take the downfall too when the wheels start to fall off. It's the end of the season, the playoffs are what will tell the real story.

This isn't about having a reasonable outlook like the one you provide here. This is about setting the table just in case the wheels do fall off this postseason, so the blame falls everywhere but on a certain individual.

It's so incredibly transparent, I'm assuming everyone can see through it.

That isn't to say they are going to lose, but just in case... setting that table is important, here.

[navy]

Those teams better not have a point guard on the roster... because, you know... they're worthless.

Just false. Lebron sets good screens and because teams are afraid to come off him and it gives the Heat guards chances to drive and score. the Heat have increasing run this more because Chalmers is getting better at driving. Cole sucks at it.

Chalmers and Coles cant run an offense at all.

[livinglegend]

they are official all stars in the east. Both starters last year as well. It's official, not just a label I throw in for them.

Dont matter if they are all star in east since you guys has been saying the East is historically weak.

[navy]

This isn't about having a reasonable outlook like the one you provide here. This is about setting the table just in case the wheels do fall off this postseason, so the blame falls everywhere but on a certain individual.

It's so incredibly transparent, I'm assuming everyone can see through it.

That isn't to say they are going to lose, but just in case... setting that table is important, here.

Lebron will get blamed no-matter what happens so it is irrelevant. Just like he was in Cleveland, where they actually were the Cavaliers.

Im sure he wont get credit if he wins either. Another asterisk ring for Lebron. That's three years in a row you know.

[livinglegend]

Lebron without Wade - 0 rings
Lebron with Wade - 2 rings

He needed Wade and he needed Bosh to get his rings. Its like how everyone uses the fact that Kobe won his rings when he had help (more impressively because he normally had one other star over Lebrons 2).

Kobe with fisher - 5 rings
Kobe without fisher- cant even make the finals