Replace Lebron with Prime Jordan and the Heat would still lose

[SHAQisGOAT]

People keep posting this, yet no explanation. 2011, sure, no one is arguing with you.

What does Jordan or Bird do better in the first quarter where Spurs go 41-25 in game 1? Bron knocked down 15 points. Does Jordan or Bird score 30 to keep their team in it? Do they somehow magically make the role players hit shots?

Yea there's no argument for that one.

1st of all, I can't see Jordan or Bird("heat game" a great exemple) cramping up in that game1 and staying on the bench at the end, game was still very close and they most likely take over at the end to win that, changes the momentum of the series also.
Not saying it's LeBron's fault or something, fact that there's some people who said he went out because he was shook and whatnot But still, with Jordan or Bird, Heat most likely take that game.

Jordan would take over games with his scoring better than Bron ever could, he would be clutch as hell, agressive too... Always major, especially in series like these. He was also an all-around beast who stepped up in big moments. Most likely he'd start to kill them and demand double-teams, which opens up the offense and MJ could also pass.
Larry brings that major clutchness too and he was able to do damage on offense in more ways, no way to really play a guy like him, also LeBron has to be really ball-dominant to make the most impact and Bird was either way. Heat have also been really struggling in the playmaking/passing department (same TO's as assists), Larry brings elite passing without having to overhandle the ball and would get that offense flowing and moving the ball, I can see him do better than Bron as far as passing/playmaking, because he had a higher IQ, was a better pure passer and didn't need much to make it happen, better off-ball too, better at setting up/starting (team) plays, oh and he didn't need for teammates to change their game (for the worse) so he can do his thing. Also, Bird brings that physicality and toughness, and with him the Heat would've most likely been outrebounding SA in the series, which is always a big plus. You can say he was great at taking what they gave him and he was great at knowing what was necessary for the win, having all the tools to do what was needed, in many situations.

Let's not forget, Bird's teammates were really underperforming in the 1984 Finals and he "carried them" while beating a team with Kareem, Magic, Worthy, McAdoo, Cooper, Rambis, Wilkes.. a team that was stacked like crazy and played great basketball, better on paper too and expected to win. Obviously not saying he didn't have any help (Lakers choked a bit too) but you can definitely say that Bron's teammates have been playing better offensively.

LeBron's stans love to look at stats and whatnot, and I can also say that Wade has been putting up 16 ppg on .527 TS%, Bosh with 14.3 on .693 TS%, Allen and Lewis also over 10 ppg on great efficiency.

Bron's defense hasn't been on point also, either on his man or team D (MJ brings both and Bird brings really good team defense even from a big standpoint, which is major).

Larry or Michael would also most likely bring out more from their teammates, mentally speaking. Still remember when the Celtics were playing like shit on both ends and Bird called them out and led by exemple, they came back stronger and they've won. And you know that Jordan would be all over them, talking shit and whatnot, major intensity.

[bigwebb5000]

Jordan would draw double teams and cause the Spurs to change their defensive scheme. Bron is only getting singled covered by Leonard and Diaw. Can you imagine Diaw trying to guard Jordan? It would be a joke. You Bron fanboys need to check some YouTube videos of the GOAT when you get a chance.

Hell Kobe would routinely beat the Spurs in their prime and ppl have the nerve to say Bron is in the top 10

[Blue&Orange]

Bron went 7-7 in the 3rd quarter... and they built on the lead.

What exactly could any superstar do in that particular instance? There is no player, who could have played better in that stretch, and yet they built on the lead.

Anyone who doesn't get that is completely missing the point.

Yes it was a great statpadding display with the game already over... i think it was the only bright spot for Lebron in this finals, he might have found his future role on the NBA... spot up 3 point shooter.

Oh and he obviously disappear and stop trying after missing a couple shots, #protectfg% ... just like in game 2, thank god Bosh made that corner 3 and spurs missed ft because LEbron was nowhere to be found and we be talking sweep.

3 points scored in the final 5 minutes in 4 games



Seriously are people still comparing Lebron to Jordan? How delusional can you be?

[andgar923]

Jordan would draw double teams and cause the Spurs to change their defensive scheme. Bron is only getting singled covered by Leonard and Diaw. Can you imagine Diaw trying to guard Jordan? It would be a joke. You Bron fanboys need to check some YouTube videos of the GOAT when you get a chance.

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[Blue&Orange]

Larry or Michael would also most likely bring out more from their teammates, mentally speaking. Still remember when the Celtics were playing like shit on both ends and Bird called them out and led by exemple, they came back stronger and they've won. And you know that Jordan would be all over them, talking shit and whatnot, major intensity.
[/B]

Lebron just said it's not on his shoulders winning the next 3 games.

I doubt a team looked so defeated in the first half of a game 4 in the NBA finals like the head did, dat Lebron leadership.

[knicksman]

these dumb bran stans really has lot of excuses. They were close to 7 in game 3 but were was lebron?

[StephHamann]

[coin24]

Yes it was a great statpadding display with the game already over... i think it was the only bright spot for Lebron in this finals, he might have found his future role on the NBA... spot up 3 point shooter.

Oh and he obviously disappear and stop trying after missing a couple shots, #protectfg% ... just like in game 2, thank god Bosh made that corner 3 and spurs missed ft because LEbron was nowhere to be found and we be talking sweep.

3 points scored in the final 5 minutes in 4 games



Seriously are people still comparing Lebron to Jordan? How delusional can you be?

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As usual bran stans just trying to shift the blame. His team let him down, needs more help etc..

You think Jordan would be single covered in the finals and only score what, 5 points in the whole first half??

[Jlamb47]

Prime Jordan would do alot better job then what Lebron doing
Lebron went 7-7 in the 3rd
he took "7" shots to try to take over
Kobe and Jordan taking atleast 12 shots to come back they attack aggressivley
Lebron gets too passive i watched the whole game
yal making too many damn excused

[veilside23]

try to have some respect for MJ he didn't lose in the finals...

I guess that's what separates kobe from LeBron . kobe would have died shooting to get them back in the game and not just worry about his stats.

People bash kevin love for having empty stats yet for LeBron people claim the heat is garbage without LeBron .. its amazing that the heat only lost by 3 points to the pacers when LeBron was in foul trouble ...

[TheMan]

Bron went 7-7 in the 3rd quarter... and they built on the lead.

What exactly could any superstar do in that particular instance? There is no player, who could have played better in that stretch, and yet they built on the lead.

Anyone who doesn't get that is completely missing the point.

I thought Bran made teammates better

[OldSchoolBBall]

Bron went 7-7 in the 3rd quarter... and they built on the lead.

What exactly could any superstar do in that particular instance? There is no player, who could have played better in that stretch, and yet they built on the lead.

Anyone who doesn't get that is completely missing the point.

The point is to not let them get a huge lead to begin with. The entire Heat team, including Lebron, came out incredibly flat in the first quarter (aside from Bosh). The game was still close after the first quarter, but in the first half as a whole, the Heat allowed the Spurs to get into a crazy rhythm, and they gained a ton of confidence. Lebron should have shown that energy and effort in the first quarter/half, not the third Q when they're already down 20. It starts with the leader.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Theyd win in 6 and since MJ is a better athlete than Bran he wouldnt cramp up under the pressure of no AC

[GODbe]

Agreed. They need more and more hall of famers every year to win their *'s.

[HurricaneKid]

With Prime MJ this series is already OVER. Mia won G2 by 2 points and Bron was AMAZING.