Statistical Comparison: 1991, 1993, and 2015 Finals

[plowking]

There. We go. Absolutely strange argument there by plow (?) Or whatever his name is.

Trying way too hard. It is a message board, names are clearly there for you to see, you've followed me around in threads before trying to get under my skin, and that is the best you come up with?

Pretty cringe, especially since you come off like you think you're good at debating or some shit.

[3ball]

Do Kobe

Here's each players worst Finals performance:


[COLOR="blue"]Jordan 1996[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.3 PPG, 53.8% TS

[COLOR="red"]Lebron 2013[/COLOR]: 25.3 PPG, 52.9% TS
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron 2011[/COLOR]: 17.8 PPG, 52.8% TS
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron 2007[/COLOR]: 22.0 PPG, 42.8% TS

[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2008[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 25.7 PPG, 50.5% TS
[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2004[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 22.6 PPG, 45.8% TS
[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2000[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.6 PPG, 41.1% TS

[plowking]

Here's each players worst Finals performance:


[COLOR="blue"]Jordan 1996[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.3 PPG, 53.8% TS

[COLOR="red"]Lebron 2013[/COLOR]: 25.3 PPG, 52.9% TS
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron 2011[/COLOR]: 17.8 PPG, 52.8% TS
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron 2007[/COLOR]: 22.0 PPG, 42.8% TS

[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2008[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 25.7 PPG, 50.5% TS
[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2004[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 22.6 PPG, 45.8% TS
[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2000[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.6 PPG, 41.1% TS

Another BS post by you. Going by TS, that isn't Jordan's worst.

[inclinerator]

3balls dont make me ban you again

[3ball]

Here's each players worst Finals performance:


[COLOR="blue"]Jordan 1996[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 27.3 PPG, 53.8% TS

[COLOR="red"]Lebron 2013[/COLOR]: 25.3 PPG, 52.9% TS
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron 2011[/COLOR]: 17.8 PPG, 52.8% TS
[COLOR="Red"]Lebron 2007[/COLOR]: 22.0 PPG, 42.8% TS

[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2008[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 25.7 PPG, 50.5% TS
[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2004[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 22.6 PPG, 45.8% TS
[COLOR="Magenta"]Kobe 2000[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"]..[/COLOR] 15.6 PPG, 41.1% TS

Another BS post by you. Going by TS, that isn't Jordan's worst.

He shot 53.2% TS in 1997 Finals, but he averaged 34 PPG and hit 2 game-winners (Game 1 and the flu game), plus he hit Kerr with the game-winning assist in the final seconds of Game 6 when he got doubled (something Lebron hasn't faced, double-teams).

MJ shot 51.6% TS in 1998 Finals, but again, he averaged 34 PPG and that was the greatest Finals performance of all time, especially with Scottie MIA (15 PPG, 41%) along with Rodman MIA (3 PPG, 7 RPG).. Also, MJ was facing the Utah Jazz's 100.3 playoff DRtg, which is lower than anything Lebron has ever faced in the Finals, including this year's Warriors.. And again, he averaged 34 PPG and executed the greatest clutch the game's ever seen.

You want me to put MJ's 34 PPG and GOAT clutch next to Lebron and Kobe's sub-20 PPG averages?.. ... And MJ actually won his Finals... Whereas Lebron choked away his chance to go up 3-1 with 20 points in Game 4 (MJ's Finals low was 23), including a donut in the 4th.
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[Mr Feeny]

Trying way too hard. It is a message board, names are clearly there for you to see, you've followed me around in threads before trying to get under my skin, and that is the best you come up with?

Pretty cringe, especially since you come off like you think you're good at debating or some shit.

It's a basketball message board. Make your point. Ad hominems are the hallmark of kids of who have no idea what to retort with.

Who's following you around? I have not a clue who you are. I like how you've taken it upon yourself to flatter yourself there

And yes, I'm certainly better at debating than you are. That's not saying much, either. Almost everyone I've seen on here (even the hardcore Kobe fanboys such as griff) are able to make coherent arguments. You haven't. So that puts you on the bottom rung of the ladder. Go to bed, kid. Learn to write an intelligible sentence and to form a coherent argument and come back.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The thing people don't mention about Jordan's "bad" playoff series is that he basically never dragged down his team's efficiency - that is, he rarely was LESS efficient than his teammates were if you exclude him, and rarely (only once to my knowledge - 1993 vs. NY) was less efficient than his second option. For example:

1996 Finals:

Jordan - 27.3 ppg/53.8% TS

Pippen - 15.7 pts/42.9% TS

Rest of team minus MJ - 49.5% TS

This same dynamic holds for the '97 Heat series and the '98 Finals vs. Utah as well (these are MJ's three LEAST efficient playoff series). Lebron also is not below his team's efficiency this series, but is much closer to them: Lebron is averaging 48.4% TS, while the rest of his team is averaging 47.1% TS.

And for the record, I think he's having a great Finals - this is just to shut plowking up.

[inclinerator]

[Mr Feeny]

The thing people don't mention about Jordan's "bad" playoff series is that he basically never dragged down his team's efficiency - that is, he rarely was LESS efficient than his teammates were if you exclude him, and rarely (only once to my knowledge - 1993 vs. NY) was less efficient than his second option. For example:

1996 Finals:

Jordan - 27.3 ppg/53.8% TS

Pippen - 15.7 pts/42.9% TS

Rest of team minus MJ - 49.5% TS

This same dynamic holds for the '97 Heat series and the '98 Finals vs. Utah as well (these are MJ's three LEAST efficient playoff series). Lebron also is not below his team's efficiency this series, but is much closer to them: Lebron is averaging 48.4% TS, while the rest of his team is averaging 47.1% TS.

And for the record, I think he's having a great Finals - this is just to shut plowking up.

That's a great point. The 98 ECF finals against Indian was another. Pippen, in particular, was contemptuously awful on the offensive end.