Why is Kobe not top 10 alltime?

[Ruh-Roh]

This, though I don't agree with it.

Kobe has 2 championships as the man with career averages of

25.3/5.3/4.7/1.5/.6 on 46%

IMO, that easily warrants a top 10 position, but alas, some people have very different views on things.

I think 5-9 is a reasonable ranking for Kobe(I have him at 7). He could go up another few spots if he wins a few more rings and ups his stats by 10% or so across the board.

Don't get me wrong, he's in my top 10. But to answer the OP's question, that has been the biggest knock on him in ISH and most other places you find criticisms.

[jlauber]

lol that was off the top of my head..

1. Jordan
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Shaq

happy?

A fair estimate puts kobe at #7, a conservative estimate puts him in the top10.

I would disagree with a few positions, but overall, as good a list as any.

[Rose]

Solid post. I have Kobe at anywhere between 8-10 (depending on where to put Bird and Olajuwon)...but more than likely he will finish higher...perhaps much higher.

I agree with this entirely. He almost certainly gets one more ring. Which gives him three as the man, and two as a key cog, and potentially the best number two guy ever. and a ring where they probably would have won it anyways. If he beats the Heat, I think ALOT of people would boost him up. I know I'm going to boost him up. IMO he needs 8 rings to go down as the best. And that's his goal anyways. So we will see.

[zay_24]

Here's a list of people in most top 10 list that kobe easily ranks higher than ALREADY

Bird
Hakeem
West
Duncan

soon to be

Shaq
Wilt

[Mr Clutch Melo]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Magic
7. Duncan
8. Shaq/Hakeem
9. Hakeem/ Shaq
10. Kobe

I still dont understand why people put Magic over BIRD

[zay_24]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Magic
7. Duncan
8. Shaq/Hakeem
9. Hakeem/ Shaq
10. Kobe

I still dont understand why people put Magic over BIRD

probably the same reason why i cant understand you putting hakeem and duncan over kobe

[Ruh-Roh]

I would disagree with a few positions, but overall, as good a list as any.

I'd put Shaq over Hakeem, Wilt under Magic, drop Bird a spot or two, probably raise Duncan to just be over Kobe, but Kobe could easily move up the ladder this year alone.

[XxNemesis29xX]

Yes, Kobe's got the stats, the rings, 2 as The Man, gamer-winners and clutch ability to close out games, and many things that aren't measured by numbers: killer instinct, leadership, turning his team mates into better players (Gasol prime example).

Also, he can activate GOD-MODE... which should push him up 1 slot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSpY4Rfrm8

[jlauber]

I'd put Shaq over Hakeem, Wilt under Magic, drop Bird a spot or two, probably raise Duncan to just be over Kobe, but Kobe could easily move up the ladder this year alone.

No argument from me...

[Mr Clutch Melo]

bla bla bla

Look at 94 Rockets and 03 Spurs . Kobe has never carried a team like Hakeem and Duncan.

Get Kobe dick out of your mouth, Kobe might be the WORST finals-performer among the top-10 too

[New York Knicks]

Look at 94 Rockets and 03 Spurs . Kobe has never carried a team like Hakeem and Duncan.

Get Kobe dick out of your mouth, Kobe might be the WORST finals-performer among the top-10 too

? He definitely is.

[zay_24]

Look at 94 Rockets and 03 Spurs . Kobe has never carried a team like Hakeem and Duncan.

Get Kobe dick out of your mouth

hmm,

Final MVPS- duncan, kobe & hakeem= tied

MVP-Duncan, Kobe & hakeem= tied

Rings- Kobe, duncan, hakeem

Finals appearances- kobe, Duncan, Hakeem
Duncan has never defeated a team in the finals like the modern day celtics. So yea...

Scoring titles- Kobe 2, hakeem nd duncan 0
Rebound titles- Hakeem 2- kobe and duncan 0
Kobe is a better scorer and passer than both
Kobe is a better winner than both

81 point games- kobe 1, duncan and hakeem 0

who broke the record for most 3's made in a game?

Who gave the spurs the most trouble in the early 2000s?

[chazzy]

At this point, I feel like the top 10 is almost unanimous.. but the order varies depending on what you value more when comparing players.

[Big#50]

MJ/KAJ
Duncan/Shaq
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Magic
Wilt
Russell
I usually switch positions but the players always remain the same.

[New York Knicks]

hmm,

Final MVPS- duncan, kobe & hakeem= tied

MVP-Duncan, Kobe & hakeem= tied

Rings- Kobe, duncan, hakeem

Finals appearances- kobe, Duncan, Hakeem
Duncan has never defeated a team in the finals like the modern day celtics. So yea...

Scoring titles- Kobe 2, hakeem nd duncan 0
Rebound titles- Hakeem 2- kobe and duncan 0
Kobe is a better scorer and passer than both
Kobe is a better winner than both

81 point games- kobe 1, duncan and hakeem 0

who broke the record for most 3's made in a game?

Who gave the spurs the most trouble in the early 2000s?

PISTONS? The same exact team nearly swept an LA team with Payton, Kobe, Malone, and Shaq?