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    Default Re: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

    Quote Originally Posted by Just2McFly

    this n*gga was getting guarded by KJ/ thunder dan and f*cking tom chambers
    Majerle was an all-NBA defenders and you forgot Richard Dumas, who was an athletic wing and rising star.:






    Go watch Jordan's 55 point game highlights - he starts the game by hitting several shots on Dumas, and starts the 3rd quarter the same way..


    Quote Originally Posted by Just2McFly

    you guys act like he lit up a great defensive team
    Jordan lit up the Suns the way Lebron should've lit up the 2011 Mavericks, who had the same regular season defensive ranking as the Suns and worse athletes to guard Lebron (old Shawn Marion, Barea, Terry).



    the suns were one of the worst defensive squads and had no rim protection.
    Lebron didn't face any rim protection like what Jordan faced - Lebron faces a wide open paint on every possession because he has teammates shooting 3-pointers to draw defenders out of the paint:






    Otoh, Jordan faced a packed paint because he didn't have nearly as many 3-point shooting teammates and paint-camping was legal:






    Quote Originally Posted by Just2McFly

    Meanwhile, Jordan shot 40% against the Knicks and should be kissing Pippen's feet for getting him to the Finals
    Don't listen to Elosha - Jordan led the Bulls in pts, assists, steals and blocks, and basically tied in rebounds, while Pippen had 24 turnovers to Jordan's 14, which caused him to have significantly lower efficiency per-possession (ortg):


    [COLOR="DarkRed"]JORDAN 1993 ECF[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 32.2 ppg.. 6.2 rpg.. 7.0 apg.. 2.3 tov.. 2.5 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 52.2 ts.. 113 ORtg
    [COLOR="Navy"]PIPPEN[COLOR="White"]I[/COLOR] 1993 ECF[/COLOR]:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 22.5 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 4.0 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.5 bpg.. 57.3 ts.. 104 ORtg



    Jordan was MVP of the series, easily... Btw, he dropped 55 in the series-tying Game 4, and then had a triple double (29/10/14) in the go-ahead Game 5..

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    Default Re: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

    Quote Originally Posted by Trollsmasher

    Jordan - low impact player
    GOAT impact on [COLOR="Red"]LOTTERY[/COLOR] team


    In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.

    Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989, to a 3-peat beginning in 1991* - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.



    GOAT impact on [COLOR="Red"]DECENT[/COLOR] team


    The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team without Jordan.. If we wanted to CONFIRM his 3-peat to 2nd Round impact, we'd ask him to come back and 3-peat again.. Done and done



    * It should be noted that the Bulls would've won their first championship in 1990 if Pippen hadn't choked with 1-10 and 2 points in Game 7 of ECF (he admitted he choked due to the pressure)... The Bulls would've beaten the Blazers, since the Pistons beat them in 5 easy games, but needed 7 games and Pippen choke to beat the Bulls.. The Pistons had massive margins in ORtg vs. the Blazers, but razor-thin margins vs. the Bulls.. Pippen's choke prevented Jordan from leading that 1989 lottery roster to a ring just 1 year later - he had to wait until 1991

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    Default Re: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    GOAT impact on [COLOR="Red"]LOTTERY[/COLOR] team


    In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.

    Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989, to a 3-peat beginning in 1991* - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.



    GOAT impact on [COLOR="Red"]DECENT[/COLOR] team


    The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team without Jordan.. If we wanted to CONFIRM his 3-peat to 2nd Round impact, we'd ask him to come back and 3-peat again. Done and done
    But Jordan came back the year after and the Bulls lost in the 2nd round again....this time to Orlando.

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    Default Re: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey Yo

    But Jordan came back the year after and the Bulls lost in the 2nd round again....this time to Orlando.
    We're talking full seasons, not the last 17 games.

    In his first full season back, he began another 3-peat... Just like that

    But for you, the two, once-in-a-generation three-peats are COINCIDENCES, not a function of the goat retiring and coming back.. ..

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    Default Re: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    We're talking full seasons, not the last 17 games.

    In his first full season back, he began another 3-peat... Just like that

    But for you, the two, once-in-a-generation three-peats are COINCIDENCES, not a function of the goat retiring and coming back.. ..
    So MJ wouldn't have gotten a ring if Chicago won it all in 1995?

    He'd still be at 6 rings while Scottie would have 7?

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