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    Let's be honest, anyone who studies the game or played it knows there are a few things that you don't improve upon once you get to the NBA. The point of emphasis here is Ball Handling. your decision making with the ball can improve and you can come into the league with no jumpshot and no defensive ability. Doesn't matter, defense is about effort and lateral quickness, on the other side there are shooting coaches all over the place that can make your shot more effective and look different (ex: Tony Parker).

    Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, all shot terribly from the perimeter their first couple years in the league but here's the difference between them and Wiggins. They could breakdown the defense. The Wiggins comparisons are getting outta hand. Comparing him to DeMar DeRozan was more realistic. The biggest difference between Vince Carter & Tracy McGrady was that T-Mac could breakdown a set defense and not only score but create for others. VC depended on his first step and athleticism to get to the rim, if the opponent layed off it was a jumpshot. While this can be effective it also makes you easier to anticipate. It's the difference between making first team and not, the difference between being a top 10 player and not.

    Ball handling, change of direction, and hesitation dribble is something you learn in 8th grade and even earlier. Look at alot of your top players, If you don't have it young you'll never get it, sorry. I'm strictly talking about perimeter players. With Wiggins you still might get a HOF player and that's amazing, Dominque Wilkins also tried to beat his opponent with one or 2 dribbles and had a mid range game. Nobody is saying he can't blossom into a star, but a Superstar? The truth is there aren't very many of them.
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    Dr. J?

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    Good point OP. Obviously you CAN improve ball handling while in the NBA, but we don't see that as much as guys improving their shot, or learning good team defense.

    Counter point: Kevin Durant and Paul George
    Both really athletic tall guys who had weak handles entering the league. KD has had huge improvement. PG has improved too, but for him it's mostly learning what things to attempt and what not to attempt (open pull up J's, good. Splitting doubles on the PnR....BAD)
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    I think it's also about fitting into a right team. Look at Gerald Green last season.

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    Kobe was a decent shooter and already had a wide array of moves while coming into the league at 17 years of age... He actually shot 37,5% from 3 his rookie season

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    sorta agree with the ball handling development. when you see a sick move done by an nba player, he's probably been doing that move at the playground since he was 14 or 15.

    but i don't think ball handling is absolutely necessary to put up points. just need someone good like a prime nash to feed you that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe
    Kobe was a decent shooter and already had a wide array of moves while coming into the league at 17 years of age... He actually shot 37,5% from 3 his rookie season
    You say that like it's supposed to impress anyone. You're so insecure you bring up Kobe in any and every thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_i_el
    Good point OP

    Counter point: Kevin Durant and Paul George

    And Joakim Noah

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    he has some moves, but he's not adept at getting to the basket. He can get a ton of separation on his step back jumpers because of his athleticism.

    The kid is a very hard worker and he wants to be great. That will carry him a long way. He's going to be a very good player.

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    He will never be LeBron, but he can be Durant if he tries

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnFreeman
    He will never be LeBron, but he can be Durant if he tries
    Why would any rookie want to be 3rd best at everything and not even the alpha male on their own team?

    JF whatcha smokin' bruh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe
    Kobe was a decent shooter and already had a wide array of moves while coming into the league at 17 years of age... He actually shot 37,5% from 3 his rookie season
    He shot .336 on jumpers in 2001. He shot .314 from 3 his first 6 seasons. Kobe was not a good shooter coming into the NBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encre92
    Why would any rookie want to be 3rd best at everything and not even the alpha male on their own team?

    JF whatcha smokin' bruh.
    true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyze
    Let's be honest, anyone who studies the game or played it knows there are a few things that you don't improve upon once you get to the NBA. The point of emphasis here is Ball Handling. your decision making with the ball can improve and you can come into the league with no jumpshot and no defensive ability. Doesn't matter, defense is about effort and lateral quickness, on the other side there are shooting coaches all over the place that can make your shot more effective and look different (ex: Tony Parker).

    Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, all shot terribly from the perimeter their first couple years in the league but here's the difference between them and Wiggins. They could breakdown the defense. The Wiggins comparisons are getting outta hand. Comparing him to DeMar DeRozan was more realistic. The biggest difference between Vince Carter & Tracy McGrady was that T-Mac could breakdown a set defense and not only score but create for others. VC depended on his first step and athleticism to get to the rim, if the opponent layed off it was a jumpshot. While this can be effective it also makes you easier to anticipate. It's the difference between making first team and not, the difference between being a top 10 player and not.

    Ball handling, change of direction, and hesitation dribble is something you learn in 8th grade and even earlier. Look at alot of your top players, If you don't have it young you'll never get it, sorry. I'm strictly talking about perimeter players. With Wiggins you still might get a HOF player and that's amazing, Dominque Wilkins also tried to beat his opponent with one or 2 dribbles and had a mid range game. Nobody is saying he can't blossom into a star, but a Superstar? The truth is there aren't very many of them.
    You're and idiot i stopped reading after this.No one in the nba has ever learned defense after getting in the nba.Damn near every player in the league improves their ball-handling once they get to the league...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noyze
    Let's be honest, anyone who studies the game or played it knows there are a few things that you don't improve upon once you get to the NBA. The point of emphasis here is Ball Handling. your decision making with the ball can improve and you can come into the league with no jumpshot and no defensive ability. Doesn't matter, defense is about effort and lateral quickness, on the other side there are shooting coaches all over the place that can make your shot more effective and look different (ex: Tony Parker).

    Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, all shot terribly from the perimeter their first couple years in the league but here's the difference between them and Wiggins. They could breakdown the defense. The Wiggins comparisons are getting outta hand. Comparing him to DeMar DeRozan was more realistic. The biggest difference between Vince Carter & Tracy McGrady was that T-Mac could breakdown a set defense and not only score but create for others. VC depended on his first step and athleticism to get to the rim, if the opponent layed off it was a jumpshot. While this can be effective it also makes you easier to anticipate. It's the difference between making first team and not, the difference between being a top 10 player and not.

    Ball handling, change of direction, and hesitation dribble is something you learn in 8th grade and even earlier. Look at alot of your top players, If you don't have it young you'll never get it, sorry. I'm strictly talking about perimeter players. With Wiggins you still might get a HOF player and that's amazing, Dominque Wilkins also tried to beat his opponent with one or 2 dribbles and had a mid range game. Nobody is saying he can't blossom into a star, but a Superstar? The truth is there aren't very many of them.
    OP is right, no NBA player ever works on their handle once they get in the league, they know they cannot improve it, so they take it completely out of their regiments.

    All the below videos are part of the conspiracy that the NBA puts on fans to have them believe that NBA players work on and improve their handles, when in reality they ignore it, because there is no chance to improve it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_m9VG1-EJQ

    SHAM!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoysXqYZd_s

    FARCE!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZwmNXSM4w

    LIES!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iysTlumVogs

    BULLSHIT!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BESnkdE-7mo

    GETOUTTAHERE!


    Man, what lengths the NBA goes to to perpetuate this myth.

    Thanks OP you have enriched our lives by uncovering this conspiracy.

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