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Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Many times?
The Mavs under achieved twice technically. 07 losing to the warriors and 10 losing to the spurs.
Every other year the Mavs went farther than expected or lost when expected.
DMAVS41, don't you think that they were favored to win in 06? The West (Mavs, Suns, Spurs) was so much stronger than the East. I'm pretty confident that if Spurs had gotten past DAL in 06, they would have beaten the HEAT (had Bowen to guard Wade and TD, Rasho and Nazr to guard Shaq).
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Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by Skep
Kblaze is a known Malone hater. All of his arguments involve off the court stuff about Karl. Nothing to do with how he played. Pretty sure Kblaze has daddy issues.
I know, it's delightful.
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Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by rmt
DMAVS41, don't you think that they were favored to win in 06? The West (Mavs, Suns, Spurs) was so much stronger than the East. I'm pretty confident that if Spurs had gotten past DAL in 06, they would have beaten the HEAT (had Bowen to guard Wade and TD, Rasho and Nazr to guard Shaq).
I'm talking about over-achieving as a whole.
Meaning.....they grossly over achieved just to beat the spurs. That is my problem.
Its like making the finals and upsetting the spurs as huge underdogs is now more of a negative against the mavs than a positive because of what happened in the finals.
the truth is that the mavs had no business making the finals that year.
That is my point.
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Death Before Dishonor
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Dirk over Karl Malone?
nah.
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happy tanksgiving
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Sir Charles is clearly the best pf of all time, the only advantage Duncan had over chuck was defense, plus he played center for most of his career.
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Death Before Dishonor
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by iggy>
Sir Charles is clearly the best pf of all time, the only advantage Duncan had over chuck was defense, plus he played center for most of his career.
Duncan's defense was WAAAY better though
dont forget winning, clutch, sacrificing, post game, ect
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Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by iggy>
Sir Charles is clearly the best pf of all time, the only advantage Duncan had over chuck was defense, plus he played center for most of his career.
Defense is half of the game.
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Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
I'm talking about over-achieving as a whole.
Meaning.....they grossly over achieved just to beat the spurs. That is my problem.
Its like making the finals and upsetting the spurs as huge underdogs is now more of a negative against the mavs than a positive because of what happened in the finals.
the truth is that the mavs had no business making the finals that year.
That is my point.
Well, if it's any consolation to you - that Mavs 06 series and Dirk, in particular, turned Pop to small ball and away from a 7 footer beside TD. He got rid of Rasho, Nazr, Ratliff + Splitter on the bench in favor of Oberto, Dice, Bonner and Blair.
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Very good NBA starter
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
In the Paint and In The Mid Range
Barkley Season: 21.6 PPG on 12.9 Two-Point FGAs PG at 58.13% Two-Point FG%
Barkley Play-Offs: 22.5 PPG on 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG at 55.13% Two-Point FG%
Barkley was too good offensively compared to any player
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05-24-2011, 04:18 PM
#100
National High School Star
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05-24-2011, 04:20 PM
#101
Very good NBA starter
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by CJ Mustard
Four words for this thread: Prisoners of the moment.
If Dirk does not perform to the standard he has set in the OKC series and Dallas ends up losing, everybody will forget they ever considered ranking Dirk ahead of Malone/Barkley/KG and things will go back to normal.
Rings don`t matter at all when u talk about Dominant Players
Barkley and Malone where dominant. Dirk is highly skilled for a 7footer but he aint dominant
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05-24-2011, 04:23 PM
#102
National High School Star
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Rings don`t matter at all when u talk about Dominant Players
Barkley and Malone where dominant. Dirk is highly skilled for a 7footer but he aint dominant
Exactly.
The whole notion that if a certain player wins a title, he automatically jumps players who were very clearly better players at their peak is completely ridiculous.
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05-24-2011, 04:38 PM
#103
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by Round Mound
Rings don`t matter at all when u talk about Dominant Players
Barkley and Malone where dominant. Dirk is highly skilled for a 7footer but he aint dominant
you cannot be serious if you think that Dirk is not dominant. He's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time (considering shooting percentages and turnovers) and one of the best and most consistent 4th quarter scorers of his generation.
What else constitutes dominance?
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05-24-2011, 04:44 PM
#104
How does my Dirk taste
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Not saying Dirk has be ranked above Barkley, Malone or KG (Timmy is a no brainer, obviously), but to call him not dominant?
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05-24-2011, 04:45 PM
#105
Very good NBA starter
Re: Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time
Originally Posted by Brunch@Five
you cannot be serious if you think that Dirk is not dominant. He's one of the most efficient offensive players of all time (considering shooting percentages and turnovers) and one of the best and most consistent 4th quarter scorers of his generation.
What else constitutes dominance?
He cant rebound like Barkley or Malone
He can`t score in the Paint like Barkley or Malone
He can`t pass like Barkley or Create like Barkley
He is an on Ok shot blocker not in the level of Barkley
He can`t steal like Barkley or Malone`s quick hands
He can`t finish when driving like Barkley or Malone etc
He is a dominant scorer but thats not dominant. Dominant has to be alteast in 3-4 areas
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