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03-04-2014, 03:55 AM
#106
Coach
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by plowking
Spurs had better wing defenders, better 3 point shooting, better movement and a far better offense.
I wouldn't say Rondo was better than Parker either. Whichever way you cut it, the Spurs were a better functioning team with equal or better talent at the absolute worst.
Come on, there is no clear cut advantage one way or the other. I think it's entirely fare to say 2013 Spurs = 2010 Celtics. Both took the champions seven games as well.
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03-04-2014, 03:56 AM
#107
Verticle?
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by Suguru101
What has to be considered is that Pau and Odom were healthy during those runs. Bosh was out in 2012 and Wade wasn't really 100%. In 2013 we already know how limited Wade was. So in the end it kind of evens out.
Another great point.
Even if competition was slightly worse in some cases, in 2013 Wade was on his last legs for the season, and in 2012 Bosh was out for the majority of the Pacers series just about.
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03-04-2014, 03:57 AM
#108
College superstar
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
2008-2010 Lakers in 6 games against either Heat team expect maybe 12 Miami Heat. The Lakers have the better coach, roster, and the top player.
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03-04-2014, 03:57 AM
#109
Coach
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by Cold soul
The Lakers have the better coach, roster, and the top player.
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03-04-2014, 04:00 AM
#110
Verticle?
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
Come on, there is no clear cut advantage one way or the other. I think it's entirely fare to say 2013 Spurs = 2010 Celtics. Both took the champions seven games as well.
Really? Just watch both teams and its apparent which one is better than the other. Spurs had some of the best offense we've seen in basketball in years. Had no weaknesses, and a great guard running the show, as well as a great bench.
They were a more well rounded team, as well as having the best coach of all time, or at the very worst top 3.
I don't think the Celtics have any case over them, at all.
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03-04-2014, 04:01 AM
#111
"The One"
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
People continue to sleep on Dwayne Wade.
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03-04-2014, 04:02 AM
#112
NBA All-star
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by plowking
The biggest one is 2010 Suns being better than 2013 Pacers. Not a chance in hell. One if built for the playoffs, the other is an overachieving team that clearly isn't built for playoff, grind it out ball.
The 2010 Suns had the 4th highest offensive rating of all time and they got better as the season went on. They swept a pretty solid Spurs team right before facing the Lakers and were on a roll.. the WCF was actually pretty close
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03-04-2014, 04:37 AM
#113
College superstar
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
Yeah, I think Kobe during 08 and 09 playoff runs were just as good as Lebron during those years. If Kobe would of won 08 against the Celtics that would of made it more in his favor, but sadly it didn't happen.
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03-04-2014, 11:45 AM
#114
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by Fire Colangelo
You can't really use that kind of logic, 08 hawks took 08 celtics to 7 games yet 08 celtics beat 08 lakers in 6.
Bynum was injured in the playoffs and averaged like 8 points, he isn't gonna be a factor against the heat. Lebron is still the best player on the floor and let's not act like MWP is gonna shut down lebron.
There's no way 10 lakers beat 13 heat in 5.
Yea, you actually can use logic. Especially because the series I am referencing isn't some early round against an average team.
Yes, there is...they 10 Lakers were better than the 13 Spurs...and then posed an even worse matchup for the Heat. With Kobe being better than anyone on the Spurs. Gasol actually probably being as good or better than anyone on the Spurs. Then they had Artest who could actually at least make Lebron work...and Bynum playing 25 minutes a game.
There are two things people tend to ignore about the 10 Lakers and 13 Heat.
1. Bynum was actually solid for the Lakers in 10. He played around 25 minutes a game and put up 9/7
2. The 2013 were a ****ing shell of the team they were in the regular season. Wade was hobbled...Bosh was slumping. Battier couldn't hit a shot..etc.
The 10 Lakers were just better in the playoffs. And they win that series easily.
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03-04-2014, 11:48 AM
#115
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by aj1987
The Spurs hung in there because of their incredible 3pt shooting. I don't see anyone on the Lakers, who could do what Green, and to a lesser extent, Neal did. The Spurs basically had 5 players who were destroying the Heat (Parker, Duncan, Green, Neal, and Leonard). With the Lakers, Miami wouldn't have the same problem.
'11 Heat vs '08 Lakers? The Heat would absolutely annihilate them. Prime Wade, a near 20/10 Bosh, and a 20/7/7 LeBron? Yeah, no way in hell are the Lakers stopping them.
'12 Heat >>>> essentially any version of the Kobe led Lakers. LeBron was just on another level in the Playoffs.
If in 11 Lebron plays normal...then yes...they destroy the 08 Lakers. If he plays like he did against the Mavs...the more I think about it...the more I think it's a toss up series...
That is the only one in question for me.
The 12 Heat are beating the 09 Lakers pretty easily in my opinion
And I have no idea what people are talking about in the 13 Heat vs 10 Lakers debate. Lakers win easily in 5.
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03-04-2014, 12:10 PM
#116
877-954-1893
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by kNicKz
The 2009-2010 Celtics would beat the Heat, let alone Lakers
Healthy 08-10 Celtics beat both. I'm assuming they are both healthy as well.
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03-04-2014, 12:54 PM
#117
NBA rookie of the year
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
You guys are underrating the 09 squad.
Kobe was a man on a mission that year.
Then again so was the Big Three in '12.
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03-04-2014, 02:52 PM
#118
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Originally Posted by HOoopCityJones
You guys are underrating the 09 squad.
Kobe was a man on a mission that year.
Then again so was the Big Three in '12.
I don't really think we are under-rating them...they were great.
But 12 Lebron was better than 09 Kobe imo...and then Wade was still balling...and Bosh was back by the finals.
They just had too much and actually posed a tough matchup for the Lakers...Kobe would have had to play hard on defense all game and carry the scoring load. Remember, the 09 Lakers didn't have Bynum.
No doubt Kobe is one of the best ever, but he can't do that and beat a peak Lebron with Wade/Bosh in the process.
I think in a hypothetical like this, you have to give it to the team with the best player...and the better supporting cast.
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03-04-2014, 03:02 PM
#119
Davis Bandwagon
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
Lakers got a slightly-past-his-peak Kobe, Artest and young Ariza to contain LeBron and Wade. Bosh would get demolished in the you-know-what by Bynum and Gasol.
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03-04-2014, 03:29 PM
#120
Re: 2008-2010 Lakers vs. 2011-2013 Heat
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