Were Jordan's point totals inflated ??

[bwink23]

Game pace of his Chicago Bulls (87-93)

1987 - 95.8, 37.1 ppg (game pace rank = 23rd LAST)
1988 - 95.5, 35.0 ppg ( 23rd = LAST)
1989 - 97.0, 32.5 ppg (23rd out of 25 teams)
1990 - 96.7, 33.6 ppg (17th out of 27 teams)
1991 - 95.6, 31.5 ppg (19th out of 27 teams)
1992 - 94.4, 30.1 ppg (22nd out of 27 teams)
1993 - 92.5, 32.6 ppg (27th = LAST)

Average game pace of Bulls 87-93 = 95.4
Average game pace from 05 - 11 = 91.7

Do you think that the incredible disparity of 3-4 possessions a game can keep Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan from topping 30 points a game, which so routinely did in his era of ultra-fast paced, sprinting up and down the floor style of basketball??

[305Baller]

Game pace of his Chicago Bulls (87-93)

1987 - 95.8, 37.1 ppg (game pace rank = 23rd LAST)
1988 - 95.5, 35.0 ppg ( 23rd = LAST)
1989 - 97.0, 32.5 ppg (23rd out of 25 teams)
1990 - 96.7, 33.6 ppg (17th out of 27 teams)
1991 - 95.6, 31.5 ppg (19th out of 27 teams)
1992 - 94.4, 30.1 ppg (22nd out of 27 teams)
1993 - 92.5, 32.6 ppg (27th = LAST)

Average game pace of Bulls 87-93 = 95.4
Average game pace from 05 - 11 = 91.7

Do you think that the incredible disparity of 3-4 possessions a game can keep Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan from topping 30 points a game, which so routinely did in his era of ultra-fast paced, sprinting up and down the floor style of basketball??

[SAKOTXA]

Do you talk about anybody besides Kobe and MJ?

[miller-time]

whatever makes kobe more comparable to him...

http://youtu.be/ZidUzpou4kI?t=3m51s

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

OK, somebody go ahead and instigate the inevitable: make this about Kobe vs. MJ.

[Psileas]

Game pace of his Chicago Bulls (87-93)

1987 - 95.8, 37.1 ppg (game pace rank = 23rd LAST)
1988 - 95.5, 35.0 ppg ( 23rd = LAST)
1989 - 97.0, 32.5 ppg (23rd out of 25 teams)
1990 - 96.7, 33.6 ppg (17th out of 27 teams)
1991 - 95.6, 31.5 ppg (19th out of 27 teams)
1992 - 94.4, 30.1 ppg (22nd out of 27 teams)
1993 - 92.5, 32.6 ppg (27th = LAST)

Average game pace of Bulls 87-93 = 95.4
Average game pace from 05 - 11 = 91.7

Do you think that the incredible disparity of 3-4 possessions a game can keep Michael Air Jeffrey Jordan from topping 30 points a game, which so routinely did in his era of ultra-fast paced, sprinting up and down the floor style of basketball??

Seems like you forgot something:

Average game pace from 87 to 93 = 98.6

Which means that, analogically, the '87-'93 Bulls playing in '05 to '11 would play at a pace of about 88.7. That's close to 7 possessions per game, not 3-4.

[gengiskhan]

Michael Jordan's scoring averages are actually DEFLATED due to anti-perimeter scoring rules!

Michael jordan actual average under 2000-present "perimeter friendly" rules.

total 30.1ppg +5-6 ppg = 35.5-36.5 ppg

1987: 37.1 + 6 ppg = 43.1 ppg
1988: 35 + 6 ppg = 41 ppg
1989: 32.5 + 5 ppg = 37.5 ppg
1990: 33.5 + 5-6 ppg = 38.5-39 ppg

etc etc etc.

Who is gonna stop MJ from dunking every 2nd FG when:

-NO big men camping under the basket.
-NO handcheck rules.
-Touch fouls to send MJ to the FT line (MJ shots over 85% FT easily)
-Less energy sapping offensive oriented game. suits MJ perimeter game perfectly.

I wouldnt be surprise if MJ goes all out offensively in one season to score 44-45 PPG for all 82 games.

Playoffs: I believe MJ will ave 38-40 ppgs easily just to win 8-9 Rings easily.

nobody stopping him.

for 9 NBA Finals. MJ ave 41-42 ppgs as his 1993 NBA finals average.

9-0 in NBA Finals with 9 rings.

also, I see MJ quitting after playing 10 full seasons just for being way too good for the league. then we'll see dunkin, Shaq win 1 each as they age.

Kobe will make 1 NBA finals. loose it. will always be remembered as 2nd best who was born in the wrong era.

[bwink23]

Seems like you forgot something:

Average game pace from 87 to 93 = 98.6

Which means that, analogically, the '87-'93 Bulls playing in '05 to '11 would play at a pace of about 88.7. That's close to 7 possessions per game, not 3-4.

Analogically, the Bulls would be playing at a slightly higher game pace if playing today.... ...Analogically, analogicalism has no logicalism when comparing game pace in 2 different eras....teams don't all play at the same game pace....

Analogically, your saying it's not possible for the Bulls to play at a 95.4 game pace in the 2000's...just looking at the 2008 season, these teams would disagree with you:

Nuggets, Warriors, Pacers, Suns, Sonics, Lakers, Grizzlies.....all played at 95.3 game pace or better.

So analogically, your logicalism is FLAWED....

[SlayerEnraged]

Analogically, the Bulls would be playing at a slightly higher game pace if playing today.... ...Analogically, analogicalism has no logicalism when comparing game pace in 2 different eras....teams don't all play at the same game pace....

Analogically, your saying it's not possible for the Bulls to play at a 95.4 game pace in the 2000's...just looking at the 2008 season, these teams would disagree with you:

Nuggets, Warriors, Pacers, Suns, Sonics, Lakers, Grizzlies.....all played at 95.3 game pace or better.

So analogically, your logicalism is FLAWED....

The part that you're not taking into account is that fact that although the bulls weren't playing a fast pace game, there opponents were. When u play a high paced game, there's usually a lot of turnovers involved and that leads to open fast breaks. Scottie in a interview somewhere on youtube said he and Mj purposely tried getting lots of steals for each other to get fast break opportunities. And then there's the obvious about who'd be guarding him...No more 6 '3 190 Lb Joe Dumars...There'd be players that are bigger and stronger which are as fast or faster than the 90's defenders but i'm sure Jordan could average 40ppg on 55% shooting if he only played left handed in the no hand check era according to you .

[bwink23]

The part that you're not taking into account is that fact that although the bulls weren't playing a fast pace game, there opponents were. When u play a high paced game, there's usually a lot of turnovers involved and that leads to open fast breaks. Scottie in a interview somewhere on youtube said he and Mj purposely tried getting lots of steals for each other to get fast break opportunities. And then there's the obvious about who'd be guarding him...No more 6 '3 190 Lb Joe Dumars...There'd be players that are bigger and stronger which are as fast or faster than the 90's defenders but i'm sure Jordan could average 40ppg on 55% shooting if he only played left handed in the no hand check era according to you .

The same opponents Jordan dumped 50 points, and 7 40+ point games on as a broke old man???

the same ones that saw Jordan shoot BETTER than Kobe from not only 16-23ft, but also 10-15ft over his time with the Wizards??


Those guys??

[bwink23]

The part that you're not taking into account is that fact that although the bulls weren't playing a fast pace game, there opponents were. When u play a high paced game, there's usually a lot of turnovers involved and that leads to open fast breaks. Scottie in a interview somewhere on youtube said he and Mj purposely tried getting lots of steals for each other to get fast break opportunities. And then there's the obvious about who'd be guarding him...No more 6 '3 190 Lb Joe Dumars...There'd be players that are bigger and stronger which are as fast or faster than the 90's defenders but i'm sure Jordan could average 40ppg on 55% shooting if he only played left handed in the no hand check era according to you .

All the gambling from steals?? You implying Jordan got all those steals solely from gambling??

The same Jordan who averaged the same amount of steals as a broke-ass old, out of shape, shell of his former self....as many as Kobe has averaged over his last 4 years?? LOL!!

Jordan in 2003 = 1.5 steals a game.

That's as good or better than 8 years of Kobe's average steals since 1999, .


EXCUSES MUCH???

[SlayerEnraged]

All the gambling from steals?? You implying Jordan got all those steals solely from gambling??

The same Jordan who averaged the same amount of steals as a broke-ass old, out of shape, shell of his former self....as many as Kobe has averaged over his last 4 years?? LOL!!

Jordan in 2003 = 1.5 steals a game.

That's as good or better than 8 years of Kobe's average steals since 1999, .


EXCUSES MUCH???

I never said he was gambling. Thats his playing style. Kobe's a man to man defender and thats maybe the reason why every player i look head to head at Kobe shuts down and the other ones shit on MJ lmao!

[Real Men Wear Green]

None of this crap is important. 6 rings, 5 MVPs, 9 scoring titles. Who cares if he scores a point more or a point less in a different situation?

[bwink23]

I never said he was gambling. Thats his playing style. Kobe's a man to man defender and thats maybe the reason why every player i look head to head at Kobe shuts down and the other ones shit on MJ lmao!

Kobe almost NEVER guards the opposing best player, and when he did it was very sporadic.....i can prove it thru youtube vids if you like??

[juju151111]

The part that you're not taking into account is that fact that although the bulls weren't playing a fast pace game, there opponents were. When u play a high paced game, there's usually a lot of turnovers involved and that leads to open fast breaks. Scottie in a interview somewhere on youtube said he and Mj purposely tried getting lots of steals for each other to get fast break opportunities. And then there's the obvious about who'd be guarding him...No more 6 '3 190 Lb Joe Dumars...There'd be players that are bigger and stronger which are as fast or faster than the 90's defenders but i'm sure Jordan could average 40ppg on 55% shooting if he only played left handed in the no hand check era according to you .

Are you ****ing retarded? Mj got stls he had quick hands and reaction speed. Which is why he top 3 in stls alltim. You mean 6'3 Jason Kidd. Lol at you acting like Mj never faced someone taller then 6'3. Mj played against Cooper(6'6 long wingspan ,Wilkins(6'6,)Penny hardaway (6'7),Ray Allen(6'6), etc....
Here is Mj vs 6'7 long arms Reggie Lewis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPNNdJLfKEg shut ur dumbass up