Kobe's Resume Without The GOAT Phil Jackson.

[20Four]

A two time MVP under Mike Brown

Two more times the league's best record

But...how many championships before joining wade and bosh?

[MVBallin2K]

But...how many championships before joining wade and bosh?

Exactly, if Kobe had players the caliber on Wade and Bosh on his team, he'd have won at least a ring with Spo .

Kobe's tenure with Phil spanned pretty much his entire career and Lebron never won a chip with Mike Brown so the argument is pretty much moot given that neither of them were able to go all the way with him. Blaming Kobe for last year is dumb too, if it weren't FOR Kobe, the Lakers wouldn't have even been in the Playoffs. When he went down with that injury, the team (Kobe didn't even play) were swept.


At least Kobe having Shaq and Gasol is a valid argument...though I guess Lebron fans cooled off that one when he has Wade and Bosh and Ray Allen to bail him out (funny, isn't that what Lakers haters say that Derek Fisher's role was for Kobe too?).

[DFish24]

A two time MVP under Mike Brown

Two more times the league's best record

And still couldn't get past a Dwight Howard led team with HCA

[T_L_P]

Exactly, if Kobe had players the caliber on Wade and Bosh on his team, he'd have won at least a ring with Spo .

Kobe's tenure with Phil spanned pretty much his entire career and Lebron never won a chip with Mike Brown so the argument is pretty much moot given that neither of them were able to go all the way with him. Blaming Kobe for last year is dumb too, if it weren't FOR Kobe, the Lakers wouldn't have even been in the Playoffs. When he went down with that injury, the team (Kobe didn't even play) were swept.


At least Kobe having Shaq and Gasol is a valid argument...though I guess Lebron fans cooled off that one when he has Wade and Bosh and Ray Allen to bail him out (funny, isn't that what Lakers haters say that Derek Fisher's role was for Kobe too?).

There's a legit argument that the Lakers would have done better without Kobe messing up the system last season.

[coin24]

OPs life without all his alts trolling on ISH

[SexSymbol]

Phil with kobe - 11 rings
Phil without kobe - 6 rings
You see the difference?

[Inferno]

I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson taught him how to play. Kobe didn't even know how to properly dribble until Jackson gave him a couple sessions. I could have won a title with peak Shaq so nothing Kobe does with him counts. Basically, I just hate Kobe.

[JT123]

Exactly, if Kobe had players the caliber on Wade and Bosh on his team, he'd have won at least a ring with Spo .

Kobe's tenure with Phil spanned pretty much his entire career and Lebron never won a chip with Mike Brown so the argument is pretty much moot given that neither of them were able to go all the way with him. Blaming Kobe for last year is dumb too, if it weren't FOR Kobe, the Lakers wouldn't have even been in the Playoffs. When he went down with that injury, the team (Kobe didn't even play) were swept.


At least Kobe having Shaq and Gasol is a valid argument...though I guess Lebron fans cooled off that one when he has Wade and Bosh and Ray Allen to bail him out (funny, isn't that what Lakers haters say that Derek Fisher's role was for Kobe too?).

Lebron made Mike Brown coach of the year, while Kobe got him fired 5 games into a season. Big difference.
We have seen nothing in Kobe's career to suggest that he is capable of winning a ring with an average coach like Spo. Kobe has never even come close to sniffing the Finals without Phil Jackson! As for last year, the refs were more responsible for the Lakers making the playoffs than Kobe was. Look no further than the game he got injured for proof. A 50-16 edge in free throw attempts!

[necya]

Jackson stated many times that the ONLY reason he came back to the Lakers was so he could coach the best player in the world..

w/o Kobe being the BITW at the time, Jackson never comes back. Kobe's greatness drew Jackson in.

i think paycheck comes first

[NumberSix]

Phil with kobe - 11 rings
Phil without kobe - 6 rings
You see the difference?

How many rings does he have without Ron Harper?

[I<3NBA]

please don't disrespect Spoelstra like that.

also, Jordan without Phil still went further in the playoffs than Kobe did without Phil.

[DaOldLion]

please don't disrespect Spoelstra like that.

also, Jordan without Phil still went further in the playoffs than Kobe did without Phil.

except that he didn't

[MadSolar]

please don't disrespect Spoelstra like that.

also, Jordan without Phil still went further in the playoffs than Kobe did without Phil.

Chicago Bulls in 1989 Lost in conference finals
Lakers lost in 1998 Conference finals, Del Harris was the coach

Both without Phil.

[Jameerthefear]

idk how u guys can be heat fans and insult ur coach like this

[retaxis]

Kobes got BPD, of course he isn't going to listen to anyone unless it was Phil (he thinks he is too good for other coaches).