2010 Laker's playoffs, Kobe vs. Gasol

[Derivative]

2010 Playoffs

Kobe: 24.7 PER, 3.6 Winshare

Gasol: 24.0 PER, 4.3 Winshare

Seems like Gasol was the alpha for the series, this is the only team in history in which the "best" player has a significant lower winshare than another teammate.

[diamenz]

[secund2nun]

Gasol was the best player on those Laker title teams and he should have won both FMVPs.

[T_L_P]

2009/10 Kobe-Gasol was a little like 2001/02 Shaq-Kobe.

In 2001, Kobe was slightly behind Shaq in value. In 2002, Shaq clearly became the most important player again.

In 2009, Kobe was the clear-cut best player on his team. In 2010, Gasol could be argued to have as much value of Bean.

[JT123]

2010 Playoffs

Kobe: 24.7 PER, 3.6 Winshare

Gasol: 24.0 PER, 4.3 Winshare

Seems like Gasol was the alpha for the series, this is the only team in history in which the "best" player has a significant lower winshare than another teammate.

Yet Kobe stans remain sooooo ungrateful after Gasol saved their boy's legacy be carrying him to 2 post Shaq era rings. Just how good was Gasol in those title runs? Honestly he played better than Wade did in Miami's last 2 title runs. I'm dead serious, and the numbers back this up.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Win share: The stats that has Malone better than Jordan, Stockton over Lebron

PER: the stat that has Neil Johnston, Cp3, D Wade, Bob Pettit & Charles Barkely being better than Magic, Kareem & Bird

[LeBron 06]

Win share: The stats that has Malone better than Jordan, Stockton over Lebron

PER: the stat that has Neil Johnston, Cp3, D Wade, Bob Pettit & Charles Barkely being better than Magic, Kareem & Bird

The PER and Win share are very good if you compare the players with the same playing time

[Milbuck]

Gasol 1st round: 18/12/4/1 on 58% TS
Bryant 1st round: 24/4/4/1 on 51% TS

Gasol 2nd round: 24/15/3/3/1 on 68% TS
Bryant 2nd round: 32/5/6/1/1 on 61% TS

Gasol WCF: 20/7/4/2 on 61% TS
Bryant WCF: 34/7/8/1/1 on 64% TS

Gasol Finals: 19/12/4/3/1 on 56% TS
Bryant Finals: 29/8/4/2/1 on 53% TS

Gasol Overall: 20/11/4/2 on 60% TS
Bryant Overall: 29/6/6/1/1 on 57% TS

I'd say Gasol outplayed Kobe in the 1st round. I think the 2nd round was a wash. The WCF was without a doubt Kobe, and the Finals would also be Kobe.

So we have Kobe getting 2 of the 4 rounds, Gasol 1, and 1 being a wash. Kobe had the overall better numbers throughout the playoffs.



This is pretty similar to Lebron and Wade's 2011 run.

Wade 1st round: 22/8/5/2/1 on 53% TS
James 1st round: 24/11/6/1/1 on 59% TS

Wade 2nd round: 30/7/5/2/1 on 62% TS
James 2nd round: 28/8/4/2/2 on 55% TS

Wade ECF: 19/6/2/2/1 on 50% TS
James ECF: 26/8/7/2/2 on 57% TS

Wade Finals: 27/7/5/2/2 on 61% TS
James Finals: 18/7/7/2/1 on 54% TS

Wade Overall: 25/7/4/2/1 on 57% TS
James Overall: 24/8/6/2/1 on 56% TS

Here I think Lebron gets the edge in the 1st round. I'd give Wade the slight edge in the 2nd round. Lebron gets the ECF without a doubt. Same for Wade in the finals.

So we have 2 series for Wade and 2 series for Lebron. Wade had the overall better stats through the playoffs. I think this duo was closer in talent than Kobe and Gasol at the time.

[Ne 1]

Win shares, like PER is another made up metric. You dorks need to get it through your head that basketball can't be simply contained by numerical data, and formulas ...

Seriously, I want you to go to a gym, or a barber shop ...

Say Gasol is better than Kobe, say Gasol was better than Kobe in 2010, and watch the looks you get.

At the gym someone may even throw a ball at you for your stupidity.

At the barber shop you may get stabbed with some clippers.

Then give them your reason why your clear idiotic and wrong opinion is what it is ... "win shares"

And watch everyone start laughing at you. Then explain how basketball is a formula.

[Heavincent]

In 2010, Gasol could be argued to have as much value of Bean.

lol no.

[Ne 1]

The PER and Win share are very good if you compare the players with the same playing time

No. Basketball is a game, not a mathematical equation.

[T_L_P]

Win share: The stats that has Malone better than Jordan, Stockton over Lebron

PER: the stat that has Neil Johnston, Cp3, D Wade, Bob Pettit & Charles Barkely being better than Magic, Kareem & Bird

Of course Malone had more WS than Jordan; he played 400 more games. We're comparing players on the same team over the same number of games. WS in this sense is very valid.

Malone's Playoff WS: 193 games, 23.0 WS
Jordan's Playoff WS: 174 games, 39.8 WS

[Heavincent]

The Suns might have been a better overall team than the Lakers in 2010. Kobe saved their asses in that series.

[T_L_P]

lol no.

He really could though. Smart shot selection, defensive anchor, generally tougher individual matchups.

[LeBron 06]

The Suns might have been a better overall team than the Lakers in 2010. Kobe saved their asses in that series.

The suns was great in offense(1st in the nba) but terrible in defense in 2010(23rd in the nba)


The suns was not better than the lakers in 2010