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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    all 4 players arent even 60% of what they looked with nash when nash doesnt play, so
    Marion was doing good before Nash
    Diaw has talent and excelled in the games Nash didn't play for the Suns
    Bell, u could say was cuz of Nash
    And Kurt Thomas put BETTER numbers without Nash...so

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBB
    I want to know what makes Lebron or Dirk MVP canidates and not Steve Nash. Seems like fans have made him into a player that cant win it. Like its reserved for a specific elite group and no one else...and Nash isnt among the elites. His production is a product of the system D'Antoni has instilled along with talented players who excel in the same system to give Nash his assist numbers. I wanna know what it is about Nash that he cant win a MVP.
    The factor is individual dominance. Just look at the list of past MVPs. For the most part they were acknowledged top-5 players, and feared around the league. To this legacy you put in a guy who averaged 15.5ppg (in 04-05)?????

    The Suns had a great turnaround season, and he was a big part of it -- but was by no means the ONLY reason that the team ended with a gaudy record. He wasn't even the best player on his own team. Name me the last time a player like that was selected the MVP?

    Various people have different reasons for why Nash shouldn't have been in the running for the MVP in either year. Mine is that he just isn't dominant enough, not in the mold of the previous winners.

    All his defenders can talk about is the team record, but it seems to me like individual accomplishments in a given season -- which is usually heavily weighted in the MVP vote -- seems to have been completely discounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konex
    If Kidd, GP and Stockon couldn't sniff MVPs doing the same thing, Nash ain't no MVP. And those guys played defense!

    Best PG on a loaded team? Yes. MVP? Nope...
    what part dont you get ?

    kidd was going against prime shaq and duncan, kidd is an insignificant bum compared to those 2 legends.

    GP was going against mike, hakeem, robinson, young shaq, barkley, malone, and he was simply no match for them

    nash was going against 2 overhyped guards who didn't win enough games to be mvp, one of them won 45 so he was 100% not mvp and the other won 50 in the east, which translates into 40-43 in the west at most.

    nash didn't face the legendary competition kidd and payton faced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    the cavs won 50 IN THE EAST, whether YOU like it or no the voters understand that the cavs would barely crack 40 in the west, which is the conference where nash lead the suns to 54 wins without 30 ppg amare stoudemire who was out all year.

    the suns werent better in 06 than in 05, but having lost amare, and still winning 54 games made nash a huge favor in the voter's eyes.
    LeBron averaged 31/7/7. Dirk averaged 27/9/3/1blk on a better team. And Amare hasn't ever averaged over 26 a game. Not that it's a huge difference, but stop putting '30 ppg' in there like it's his name, annoying.

    Steve Nash winning the MVP is right up there with Hurricane Katrina in terms of the disasters that occured last year. It's just as sad, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shepseskaf
    He wasn't even the best player on his own team.
    of course he was, amare increased scoring and % was a product of nash's mvp game, same for JJ, q-rich, marion, bell, house, barbosa, jones increased scoring averages and having career years was a product of steve nash.

    the only way to realize he is the best player is to ask yourself this= would amare or marion lead the suns to 54 wins with nash sitting out all season ? they would be cellar dwellars without nash, he is the system not just a part of it.

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    To this legacy you put in a guy who averaged 15.5ppg
    Utter domination of the league!

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    btw on the nash makes marion idea, marions scoring isnt what improved with nash. He still scores roughly what he did pre nash if you exclude his rookie season. His rebounds and blocks went up. How the hell is that a result of nash? The rebounds are a result of the pace which some of you will confuse with nash but marion is roughly the same player he was pre nash. Bell is EXACTLY the same player he was he just gets to shoot a little more because of the pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuJazz
    LeBron averaged 31/7/7. Dirk averaged 27/9/3/1blk on a better team. And Amare hasn't ever averaged over 26 a game. Not that it's a huge difference, but stop putting '30 ppg' in there like it's his name, annoying.

    Steve Nash winning the MVP is right up there with Hurricane Katrina in terms of the disasters that occured last year. It's just as sad, too.
    lebron averaged meaningless numbers on a pathetic and hyped pretender who barely cracked 50 wins after choking their way out of the playoffs for 2 consecutive years.

    i don't give a sheit if it annoys you mister "stockton is a better shooter than hornacek and reggie miller" thats the true, their lost their best scorer and still were a great team, courtesy of nash mvp game, not of the overrated coattail riders who look better because of nash.

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    of course he was, amare increased scoring and % was a product of nash's mvp game, same for JJ, q-rich, marion, bell, house, barbosa, jones increased scoring averages and having career years was a product of steve nash.
    Thanks for explaining for us how loaded that team was. Those guys would have goten theirs, you think all of them played well because of Nash? Bell did this same stuff in Utah, just upped his ppg in Phoenix because of the faster-paced game. And we all know Q-Rich (finally playing well again), JJ, and Marion can ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    of course he was, amare increased scoring and % was a product of nash's mvp game, same for JJ, q-rich, marion, bell, house, barbosa, jones increased scoring averages and having career years was a product of steve nash.

    the only way to realize he is the best player is to ask yourself this= would amare or marion lead the suns to 54 wins with nash sitting out all season ? they would be cellar dwellars without nash, he is the system not just a part of it.
    except that jj didnt have a career year, marions career year was a result of rebounding not scoring, qrich didnt have a career year and bell is just scoring 2 a game more than he used to because of the pace but on similar percentages. Barbosa has played almost his whole career with nash so that would be like attributing josh howards scoring solely to dirk.

    You know for someone that complains about hype you dont seem to know a hell of alot more than what ric dickhead bucher says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    lebron averaged meaningless numbers on a pathetic and hyped pretender who barely cracked 50 wins after choking their way out of the playoffs for 2 consecutive years.

    i don't give a sheit if it annoys you mister "stockton is a better shooter than hornacek and reggie miller" thats the true, their lost their best scorer and still were a great team, courtesy of nash mvp game, not of the overrated coattail riders who look better because of nash.
    Never said he was better than Miller, fyi, you ****ing asshat.

    How many people in history have averaged something like that? Meaningless my ass. And it's the regular season MVP, 50 wins isn't successful now-a-days?

    And I could have sworn NASH was the best scorer on the team with the way people praise him around here...he wasn't even the best player on his team the first year. This is bush league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuJazz
    Thanks for explaining for us how loaded that team was. Those guys would have goten theirs, you think all of them played well because of Nash? Bell did this same stuff in Utah, just upped his ppg in Phoenix because of the faster-paced game. And we all know Q-Rich (finally playing well again), JJ, and Marion can ball.
    no, we dont, marion balls because of nash, qrich the same, johnsonis the only one legit.

    and no one invited you to the discussion MR "stockton is a better shooter than miller and hornacek" better go a delete those bs posts you made on the stockton threads

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamRockets
    of course he was, amare increased scoring and % was a product of nash's mvp game, same for JJ, q-rich, marion, bell, house, barbosa, jones increased scoring averages and having career years was a product of steve nash.

    the only way to realize he is the best player is to ask yourself this= would amare or marion lead the suns to 54 wins with nash sitting out all season ? they would be cellar dwellars without nash, he is the system not just a part of it.
    So, this is your convoluted reasoning for saying that because he helped to facilitate getting his teammates involved (which is a point guard's job), which led to a very good record, he somehow is the best player on the team?

    What are you smoking? This Nash groupie thing is so far out of control, it isn't funny anymore.

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    Come talk to me about this Dream Rockets

    You still haven't dis proven my points

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    You know for someone that complains about hype you dont seem to know a hell of alot more than what ric dickhead bucher says.
    *B!tchslaps DreamRockets with a fish*

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