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Old 03-24-2011, 02:16 PM   #31
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Duncan will be fine come playoff time. He's just pacing himself, ala Reggie Miller in his latter years with the Pacers.
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:42 PM   #32
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

I don't think he has actually dropped off that much you have to remember he is only play 28MPG and is putting up 13PPG and 9RPG, if he was playing 38MPG like he was at the start of his career he would be putting up 18PPG and 12RPG, so sure he has declined a little but not that much, it is just inflated by the minutes he gets and the fact he is on the Spurs
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:58 PM   #33
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If you compare Shaq and Duncan, you would imagine Duncan's game is more built for longevity since he relies less on athleticism and more so on fundamentals. But after just 14 season in the league Duncan's basically done as a player

while shaq in his 14th season was putting up 20 ppg and leading Heat to a chip.

What's causing Tim's expedited deteoriation as a player? It's so counter intuitive because players that rely on fundamentals, aka the Kobe, MJ, KAJ of the world usually last longer
I thinks its more of duncan taking a backseat to add more years to his career than him falling off. I think it was a consciencious decision he made
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:59 PM   #34
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Same as Bird and McHale. He wasn`t athletically gifred but slightly above average. Same as those players that wheren`t ahtletic, they tend to last lesser.

Barkley was donde by his 12 season because he had the same back problems as Bird and then he destroyed his knee while he was 28 lbs overweight according to Drexler.

Malone is better than Duncan in a fast pace game, same with Barkley but Barkley had both the Fast Paced and The Slow Paces, that makes him above both of them peek wise


Hard to compare guys from different eras. In Bird's day basketball teams hardly did stretches. The training they have today is incredibly different and specialized. Kareem was so unusual because he was into yoga ahead of the curve.

Tree Rollins warned Bird about throwing his body on the court every game. He said it wasn't until his body started breaking down that he realized he should have held up on that.
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Old 03-24-2011, 03:51 PM   #35
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He didn't fall faster than Shaq.

yeah he did

anyways shaq is better than tim duncan

shaq>kobe>duncan in alltime ranking
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Old 03-24-2011, 04:23 PM   #36
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

How has Duncan fell off?

His team is 1st place in the West and he's still the most important player on the team.



The difference between Shaq and Duncan is that Duncan will always be a superior defender, and still alters more shots today than Shaq ever has... and Shaq is a superior offensive player, who is still going to get more 'easy' buckets because of his raw size and talent.
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Old 03-24-2011, 04:31 PM   #37
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Well Shaq fell off from a higher level of play. It's really as simple as that. However, Duncan's only a year behind Shaq, so it's not really much of a difference.
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Old 03-24-2011, 06:21 PM   #38
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

He's about to be 35 and has lost alot of athleticism...

yet, he's still managed to get a triple-double this season, and remain a top-10 shot blocker...

Oh, and his team has a pretty decent record too.

and you have to factor the amount of games the players have played in recent years.

From october 2006 till now Shaq has played: 249 games

that has included 2 first round exits, and second round exit

From october 2006 till now TD has played: 363 games

and that includes a Championship run as the team's leading scorer, and run to the WCF the year after.
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Old 03-24-2011, 06:24 PM   #39
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

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How has Duncan fell off?

His team is 1st place in the West and he's still the most important player on the team.



The difference between Shaq and Duncan is that Duncan will always be a superior defender, and still alters more shots today than Shaq ever has... and Shaq is a superior offensive player, who is still going to get more 'easy' buckets because of his raw size and talent.

Tim doesn't still alter more shots than prime Shaq, and Duncan has definitely fallen off, he's nowhere near the player he once was, but he's still a very good player.
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Old 03-24-2011, 06:25 PM   #40
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Deep playoff runs to the Conference Finals or Finals in almost every year of his career.

Shaq at 35 was the age he was in Phoenix, not exactly a superstar and he had more size, athleticism, and strength to fall back on anyway.
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Old 03-24-2011, 06:36 PM   #41
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Deep playoff runs to the Conference Finals or Finals in almost every year of his career.

Shaq at 35 was the age he was in Phoenix, not exactly a superstar and he had more size, athleticism, and strength to fall back on anyway.

Nah, Shaq was 34/35 like Duncan in the 2006-2007 season with Miami, but the previous year, he was just a year younger than Duncan and in his 14th season, which Duncan currently is.
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Old 03-24-2011, 06:48 PM   #42
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Default Re: How come Tim Duncan fell off so fast. Faster than Shaq

Shaq fell off at about the same speed. And both were always effective (still are).

View Shaq's stats from 06-08. Same rate. Big men drop off quicker because larger humans tend to have more back, leg, knee, and ankle problems than smaller ones. The game is also more physically taxing than it is for guards.

Shaq resurged after that for one season (on the run and gun Suns), then became the super fill in that he is now.

I think the OP is looking too blindly as Timmy's per game stats. Look at his reduced minutes. . .that's why his stats are down. If you look at his stats relative to his time on the floor (stats per minute, or per 36 if you will) on the other hand, then compare them to what he's been doing before this season. . . the only thing down for Timmy are his: minutes, FGAs, and PPG (due to the lowered minutes and FGAs). Timmy's rebounds and assists are the same as they've been for years, and his steals and blocks are up to as high as they've been since 2007.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:10 PM   #43
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Another thing to consider is, Duncan has never had a regular season playing 60-or less games, while Shaq has had a handful of them at different stages of his career (1996, 1998, 2006, 2007, 2010, etc).... not counting the lock-out season for either player.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:23 PM   #44
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Another thing to consider is, Duncan has never had a regular season playing 60-or less games, while Shaq has had a handful of them at different stages of his career (1996, 1998, 2006, 2007, 2010, etc).... not counting the lock-out season for either player.

This. Shaq's been in the league for 5 more seasons, but hasn't even played 2 seasons more worth of games. Duncan always plays out as many games as he can. Both have had lengthy postseasons as well, so they're going to "age" pretty quickly.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:23 PM   #45
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it's just his body and genetics. take a look at his body... aside from his height, his body looks like an average guy who doesnt really hit the gym. He's not really a natural athlete by any means. He was always just a technically skilled and extremely intelligent player. Some people are born athletes, they're born with extreme stamina, speed, strength, etc etc; Timmay was not. So he broke down just as an average person would.
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