wade with a revealing quote about the changing mentality of NBA players

[Money 23]

Got all these Kobe stans mad, using their own 'logic' against them.

I was just pointing out the fallacy in the '5 rangz' bullshit. Kobe was the best player on his team for 40% of his championships, he has 2 finals MVPs (and 2010 was questionable IMO). But fans of Bean never take into account that rings are weighted, they're not all worth the same when it comes to player rankings. If Lebron leads his team to another championship, he'd match Kobe in that department.

I brought up Hondo because he has top 10-20 credentials and 8 championships, 3 more than Kobe. But that's not considering Bill Russell's role. It's the same fallacious arguments you dunces use.

There should be a mathematical weighted formula ala Hollinger for determining a rings worth as alpha or beta.

They're not all equal. Kareem's 5 rings would lose luster, as would Magic's 5 rings.

Shaq has 3 rings as "the man"

Kobe has 2 rings as "the man"

Bron has a ring as "the man", Wade has a ring "as the man" and half a ring as side kick.

In fact that's a good way to look at it, you're awarded half a ring if you're beta on a championship team

Altogether Kobe has 3 1/2 rings.

[red1]

There are a lot of different posters who defend a certain player or not. Not a big deal if it's valid and reasonable, really.

Ripthekik is so delusional that he thinks it is more embarrasing to rationally defend a player than it is to be absolutely obsessed with them to the point that he doesnt think or post about anything else. Look at his avatar and then try to take him serious after

[ripthekik]

Hop off lebron's nuts you corny f*gg*t. Stop worshipping the guy like he is more than just a pro athlete.

exact thing you should tell yourself, and quit acting like a 13 year old trying to look like a bad ass.. you weak sauce

There should be a mathematical weighted formula ala Hollinger for determining a rings worth as alpha or beta.

They're not all equal. Kareem's 5 rings would lose luster, as would Magic's 5 rings.

Shaq has 3 rings as "the man"

Kobe has 2 rings as "the man"

Bron has a ring as "the man", Wade has a ring "as the man" and half a ring as side kick.

In fact that's a good way to look at it, you're awarded half a ring if you're beta on a championship team

Altogether Kobe has 3 1/2 rings.

then lebron has 1/2 a ring, considering he had the top 2 SG and top 5 PF, while having the 2 best players in the east injured, hows that logic taste?

[red1]

exact thing you should tell yourself, and quit acting like a 13 year old trying to look like a bad ass.. you weak sauce

then lebron has 1/2 a ring, considering he had the top 2 SG and top 5 PF, while having the 2 best players in the east injured, hows that logic taste?

[Bandito]

Man ill take Lebron pull up jumper over a defender than UD 20 foot open jumper. Ill take a Kobe fadeaway over a defender than an open 3 from Blake. Some things you give and take. Casual fans dont care about stats. They see W or L. The hardcore fans are the ones that nitpick that stuff which causes debates all over threads. If Kobe bricks a gamewinner over a defender we say bad shot, Lebron would have found a better shot. If Lebron passes a game winner opportunity, we say Kobe will never pass that up. If Kobe hits a gamewinner we go all hail clutchbe. If Lebron hits a gamewinner we say lucky shot.

That pretty much summarizes the Kobe trolls and the Lebrontards.

[Bandito]

There should be a mathematical weighted formula ala Hollinger for determining a rings worth as alpha or beta.

They're not all equal. Kareem's 5 rings would lose luster, as would Magic's 5 rings.

Shaq has 3 rings as "the man"

Kobe has 2 rings as "the man"

Bron has a ring as "the man", Wade has a ring "as the man" and half a ring as side kick.

In fact that's a good way to look at it, you're awarded half a ring if you're beta on a championship team

Altogether Kobe has 3 1/2 rings.

Looks like you are just joking but still.

[Legends66NBA7]

Ripthekik is so delusional that he thinks it is more embarrasing to rationally defend a player than it is to be absolutely obsessed with them to the point that he doesnt think or post about anything else. Look at his avatar and then try to take him serious after

Yeah, I've also thought it's weird that many posters on ISH are passive-aggressive towards each other on a near obsessive level. Same way they obsess a player too.

Just ignore list people like this. It's really not worth the time.

[Money 23]

then lebron has 1/2 a ring, considering he had the top 2 SG and top 5 PF, while having the 2 best players in the east injured, hows that logic taste?

Nah LeBron gets a full ring. Don't get me wrong, he was a ****** for what he did in 2010 playoffs, joining a fellow elite superstar in a separate franchise, and no showing in an NBA Finals.

But he more than earned his ring last season. Regardless of injury (it's apart of the sport) ... if that's the case Kobe's 2009 doesn't count. KG was out, Celtics were defending champs, were better than the Lakers ... especially in 2009 with an improved Rondo before KG's injury. 2010 doesn't count either, Perk's injury before game 7.

See?

LeBron dominated last playoffs, with sporadic brilliance from Wade (due to injury) and Bosh who missed the vast majority of the playoffs. LeBron's straight punch in the mouth to the Celtics in response to KG and Pierce's bullying IN Boston was more impressive of a performance than anything Kobe has ever done in the playoffs.

Entire rep on the line, team facing elimination, back against the wall, nation wanting him to fail and he DEMOLISHED them by himself. No help.

We're not taking away rings from Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wilt, Magic, Kareem due to stacked and talented rosters. We're just weighing the rings differently given an individual player's worth to a team.

You're the man = FULL RING value
You're the beta / sidekick = 1/2 a ring value

That way we don't get knuckle heads claiming Horry > LeBron, or Pippen > LeBron / Wade

Looks like you are just joking but still.

Kind of but not really ... read above.

Ripthekik, it makes sense. Your statements don't. Take a time out kid, clear your head, and stop wearing the LeBron hate goggles. It makes you as crazy as Knoe Itawl.

I gave Bron much deserved crap in 2010 and 2011. It was deserved. In 2012? Hell no, he proved me wrong. He hit rock bottom and turned it around, and looked in the mirror and improved himself.

Why hasn't he won your respect yet? You come across as more obsessed with Bron than even his craziest fans (pauk) ... you refuse to talk about anything else.

It's frightening.

[ripthekik]

Nah LeBron gets a full ring. Don't get me wrong, he was a ****** for what he did in 2010 playoffs, joining a fellow elite superstar in a separate franchise, and no showing in an NBA Finals.

But he more than earned his ring last season. Regardless of injury (it's apart of the sport) ... if that's the case Kobe's 2009 doesn't count. KG was out, Celtics were defending champs, were better than the Lakers ... especially in 2009 with an improved Rondo before KG's injury. 2010 doesn't count either, Perk's injury before game 7.

See?

LeBron dominated last playoffs, with sporadic brilliance from Wade (due to injury) and Bosh who missed the vast majority of the playoffs. LeBron's straight punch in the mouth to the Celtics in response to KG and Pierce's bullying IN Boston was more impressive of a performance than anything Kobe has ever done in the playoffs.

Entire rep on the line, team facing elimination, back against the wall, nation wanting him to fail and he DEMOLISHED them by himself. No help.

We're not taking away rings from Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Wilt, Magic, Kareem due to stacked and talented rosters. We're just weighing the rings differently given an individual player's worth to a team.

You're the man = FULL RING value
You're the beta / sidekick = 1/2 a ring value

That way we don't get knuckle heads claiming Horry > LeBron, or Pippen > LeBron / Wade


Kind of but not really ... read above.

Ripthekik, it makes sense. Your statements don't. Take a time out kid, clear your head, and stop wearing the LeBron hate goggles. It makes you as crazy as Knoe Itawl.

I gave Bron much deserved crap in 2010 and 2011. It was deserved. In 2012? Hell no, he proved me wrong. He hit rock bottom and turned it around, and looked in the mirror and improved himself.

Why hasn't he won your respect yet? You come across as more obsessed with Bron than even his craziest fans (pauk) ... you refuse to talk about anything else.

It's frightening.

Nope, because you all continue to underestimate Wade and Bosh's values. Just because Wade didn't put up 06 numbers every game, doesn't mean he's become just another #2 role player. He's not, he can turn it up to 06 level in a moment's notice, and that's the benefit Lebron gets. Lebron has the benefit of being able to disappear for a quarter because Wade will take over - and people will even give Bron the benefit of the doubt such as he's being a good teammate. If he was by himself? that's when the choke comes in. Lebron has the help of 2 franchise numbers, and that's something the numbers don't show.

Lebron has yet to prove he can lead his own team to a ring without so much help, so no, he does not have my respect, and he did not win a full ring in your terms. Kobe did it with just Pau (if you think Bynum was worth anything, then you're probably a dumbass and argument ends here), Dirk did it almost by himself, Wade 06 did it by himself.

Bron is not on the level of those guys above.

[Deuce Bigalow]

There should be a mathematical weighted formula ala Hollinger for determining a rings worth as alpha or beta.

They're not all equal. Kareem's 5 rings would lose luster, as would Magic's 5 rings.

Shaq has 3 rings as "the man"

Kobe has 2 rings as "the man"

Bron has a ring as "the man", Wade has a ring "as the man" and half a ring as side kick.

In fact that's a good way to look at it, you're awarded half a ring if you're beta on a championship team

Altogether Kobe has 3 1/2 rings.

Go watch some Space Jam

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There should be a mathematical weighted formula ala Hollinger for determining a rings worth as alpha or beta.

They're not all equal. Kareem's 5 rings would lose luster, as would Magic's 5 rings.

Shaq has 3 rings as "the man"

Kobe has 2 rings as "the man"

Bron has a ring as "the man", Wade has a ring "as the man" and half a ring as side kick.

In fact that's a good way to look at it, you're awarded half a ring if you're beta on a championship team

Altogether Kobe has 3 1/2 rings.

good stuff

[The Big Skinny]

I'm the least bit a Kobe fan but he is shooting 47% this year, one of his best years ever in terms of efficiency.

Just sayin.

[Money 23]

Go watch some Space Jam

I would say go watch *insert Kobe Bryant movie* in an effort for a witty comeback, but then I realize he never crossed the threshold of being popular enough an icon to have been on the silver screen

So instead I say go listen to some atrocious Kobe rap with Tyra Banks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl_WkTiH6-Q

[Legends66NBA7]

I know I saw Kobe in the movie "Be Cool", but I think that was just a cameo.

[Legends66NBA7]

Nope, because you all continue to underestimate Wade and Bosh's values.

What is Bosh's main value as a franchise player ?