The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History

[G.O.A.T]

I know this is gonna sound like a broken record but ill repoint out the dirk vs mchale argument. Prior to the begining of this season, Dirk had more points, rebounds, assists, steals and fewer turnovers than mchale did in the entirety of his in more than 100 fewer games played. Dirk will end his career with more turn overs than mchale but its entirely possible dirk ends up with 10,000 more points, 3200 more rebounds 1800 more assists and 1000 more steals. Again i realize that mchale had 3 rings but if dirk had played with a top 10 player of all time, so would he. You can make a legit argument that Mchales 87 season was better than any of dirks seasons. However, dirk has the next 7 best seasons out of the two and that really isnt arguable. Youve used first team all nba seasons before and dirk has 4 to mchales one while playing in the golden era of pfs.

Also for all the talk of the rings and such, Dirks been better in the playoffs than mchale was. Mchales playoff numbers were 18.8/7.4/1.6/.4/1.7 with 1.9 topg. Dirks career playoff numbers are 25.5/11.0/2.6/1.2/1.0 with 2.2 topg. Mchale only averaged >23 ppg in the playoffs twice. Dirks done it 8 times. Mchale never averaged 10 rpg in the playoffs, dirks done it 8 times. For a guy who one of the big arguments for is his playoff resume, thats pretty tough to stomach.

The main reasons for McHale over Dirk at this point:

1) Dirk is a first option and has been for nearly 10 years. McHale was never the first option. Still McHale's best season as a second option is more prolific than Dirk's as a first.

2) Three titles - McHale could have easily pouted his way out of Boston and become a first option somewhere else, but he wanted to keep winning. That gets him extra credit with me. (If Dirk wins a title as the lead guy, he jumps McHale)

3) Per 36 minute stats: McHale scores nearly as much on 40% fewer shots, gets as many rebounds, more blocks and almost as many assists on fewer touches.

4) Clutch - Dirk steps up come the playoffs for sure, but he has been known to shrink in the clutch; he's defining moment's and the choke job (ref aided but nonetheless) vs. Miami and getting 8-1 punked by the Warriors. McHale averaged 24-10 in the '85, '86 and '87 finals combined. His defining moment is playing the '87 playoffs on a broken foot and barely if ever missing a beat.

That's how I see it; thanks as always for offering your opinion.

[Silverbullit]

The main reasons for McHale over Dirk at this point:

1) Dirk is a first option and has been for nearly 10 years. McHale was never the first option. Still McHale's best season as a second option is more prolific than Dirk's as a first.

2) Three titles - McHale could have easily pouted his way out of Boston and become a first option somewhere else, but he wanted to keep winning. That gets him extra credit with me. (If Dirk wins a title as the lead guy, he jumps McHale)

3) Per 36 minute stats: McHale scores nearly as much on 40% fewer shots, gets as many rebounds, more blocks and almost as many assists on fewer touches.

4) Clutch - Dirk steps up come the playoffs for sure, but he has been known to shrink in the clutch; he's defining moment's and the choke job (ref aided but nonetheless) vs. Miami and getting 8-1 punked by the Warriors. McHale averaged 24-10 in the '85, '86 and '87 finals combined. His defining moment is playing the '87 playoffs on a broken foot and barely if ever missing a beat.

That's how I see it; thanks as always for offering your opinion.

At the end of the day I believe you will have Dirk ahead of McHale.

[G.O.A.T]

At the end of the day I believe you will have Dirk ahead of McHale.

I think so too.

[goldenryan]

when is the rest of this list coming out?

[G.O.A.T]

when is the rest of this list coming out?

When work slows down and I can finish updating the top 25 profiles.

I'll have the whole list finished by the All-Star Break.

Thanks for the interest, sorry for the delays, September and October are my slow time, but we shut down December 21st, expect a whole lot of posts between then and New Years.

Additional items of interest within the GOAT list.

My top 10 favorite players not considered for top 100.

A Bibliography of the 36 Basketball Books I've read in the last two years to continue evolving the list.

Top 25 Teams and Coaches of All-Time

[TheAnchorman]

When work slows down and I can finish updating the top 25 profiles.

I'll have the whole list finished by the All-Star Break.

Thanks for the interest, sorry for the delays, September and October are my slow time, but we shut down December 21st, expect a whole lot of posts between then and New Years.

Additional items of interest within the GOAT list.

My top 10 favorite players not considered for top 100.

A Bibliography of the 36 Basketball Books I've read in the last two years to continue evolving the list.

Top 25 Teams and Coaches of All-Time

Don't worry about it and take your time. College has slowed me down here to the point where I barely check once a day and post even more rarely, but your thread is always the 1st one I check for any new updates. Keep it up.

[G.O.A.T]

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Over the next two years the Knicks remained among the NBA

[L.Kizzle]

Frazier should be 28 and Reed 29.

[G.O.A.T]

Frazier should be 28 and Reed 29.

The MVP and two Finals MVP are what separates them for me; usually I see Reed ranked higher too, but I can see it either way.

[CB4GOATPF]

[B]Fraizer should be ranked higher than Willis

The Best Defensive PG Ever (Check Out his DRT), Great Rebounder, Great Passer, Great Scorer and Clutch. One of the Best All Around Players Ever

200 lbs at 6

[El Seano]

What happened to this? It was awesome.

[Rekindled]

nowtizki behind iverson?

[L.Kizzle]

What happened to this? It was awesome.

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When work slows down and I can finish updating the top 25 profiles.

I'll have the whole list finished by the All-Star Break.

Thanks for the interest, sorry for the delays, September and October are my slow time, but we shut down December 21st, expect a whole lot of posts between then and New Years.

Additional items of interest within the GOAT list.

My top 10 favorite players not considered for top 100.

A Bibliography of the 36 Basketball Books I've read in the last two years to continue evolving the list.

Top 25 Teams and Coaches of All-Time

[El Seano]

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Thanks for this, really looking forward to this getting finished off.