2005 Ginobli or 2014 Harden?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Generally speaking, I'd take prime Manu over current Harden, but I don't necessarily think 05 was Manu's best individual season (he took on more responsibility as Duncan aged; 07-11). Yet he was in his physical prime in 05 and he made the AS game amongst other great guards at the time (Iverson, Allen, Kobe, Hamilton, etc). Manu is a winner, intense competitor, great defender, and capable scorer. So much of what I just said is not quantified in regular stats. Who knows how many charges Manu has taken/drawn over his career. That kind of stuff takes tremendous defensive effort yet it doesn't show up in the box score.

Manu is honestly one of the best perimeter defenders of the past era its a retarded he doesnt have an allD team selection. Him and Horry also bailed out a choking Duncan in the 05 finals

[Frozen1]

Harden. If you literally say Ginobili you are ****ing retarded. It's not even close.

Oh yeah.

In the year before, in 2004, Ginobili led his Argentina team to the olympic gold medal, beating the Duncan, Iverson and Lebron led team USA in the process.

But oh well, you were 5 years old at that time, so you don

[Just2McFly]

why would i say manu?

harden is carrying his squad

[sejoon101]

The playoffs have started, let's see how Harden does. So far, I'm sticking with Manu

[sejoon101]

I would take Manu 500 times out of 100 over Harden.

[Leroy Jetson]

Harden. If you literally say Ginobili you are ****ing retarded. It's not even close.

GINOBILI!!! Harden is a pretender who will very likely go ringless.

[Dresta]

lol @ how stupid this thread now looks. 2014 Manu > 2014 Harden.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Manu by far got it done in the playoff Harden wont
The defensive gap is enormous too

[BuffaloBill]

If Houston had ginobili they would still be in the playoffs

[BuffaloBill]

Of course people are gonna say Manu because they hate Harden.

2005 Gino: 16 ppg/4 apg/4 rpg 47% fg in 30 mpg

2014 Harden: 25 ppg/6 apg/5 rpg on 46% fg in 38 mpg

now that harden's playoff run is over we can look at postseason stats


2005 Ginobili: 21 ppg/6rpg/4apg 51% fg 44% 3pt in 34 mpg

2014 Harden: 27 ppg/5rpg/6apg 38% fg 30% 3pt in 44 mpg

[Im Still Ballin]

now that harden's playoff run is over we can look at postseason stats


2005 Ginobili: 21 ppg/6rpg/4apg 51% fg 44% 3pt in 34 mpg

2014 Harden: 27 ppg/5rpg/6apg 38% fg 30% 3pt in 44 mpg

Gino

Not even a FT fest last gamecould bring Haren's stats back from the grave !

[sejoon101]

now that harden's playoff run is over we can look at postseason stats


2005 Ginobili: 21 ppg/6rpg/4apg 51% fg 44% 3pt in 34 mpg

2014 Harden: 27 ppg/5rpg/6apg 38% fg 30% 3pt in 44 mpg

On a different planet.

I have 0 doubt in my mind if you replaced 05 Manu with current Harden on the current Houston squad, oh lord...

[JohnFreeman]

2014 Patty Mills > harden

[strifed169]

Harden is the better player, but who would I rather want on my team? That would have to be Ginobili

Why would you say Harden is the better player than you'd want Ginoboli on your team?

truth is, Harden isn't anywhere close to prime Ginoboli, Harden plays 40+mpg and gets literally 90% of the touches, so basically majority of the team's possessions end with a play for Harden, he relies on the whistle and fatman 3 pointers, if he's not making his shots he's useless.

anyway, Harden takes much more than what he gives, the guy doesn't defend AT ALL, so he should be ranked among the league's worst players because he gives up points so easily, along with that, he stops the ball movement and isolates most of the time or jacks up an ISO 3 or midrange J, this guy wants to be LBJ so bad.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

James Hogden
Hogged his way right out of the first round