Replace Kemp with Prime Garnett on 96 Sonics

[Yung D-Will]

This thread has effectively showed the problems with Revisonist history.

On what possible planet is Kemp arguable to be ranked above the likes of Malone and KG?

[CAstill]

LoL its obvious that every team mate would praise each other come on..

Gary also Praised vin BAKER! .... and why do you say that Casell is Clutch why???

did Shawn Kemp had alot of game winners over KG.... Am waiting!!!!

What does that even mean? Are you asking if Kemp has game winners
over KG? I don't think they we're ever in that situation but
you can bet your bottom dollar that Kemp would if he was.

Show me where Gary says Vin baker is the best he's ever played with.
He might of been optimistic about him joining the team back in the day but
that about it.

I'm not saying Kemp should be ranked higher than KG. Nor am I saying
KG isn't one of the best of all time. All I'm saying is that pound for pound
no version of KG in his prime could stop a 96 Kemp. That's it.
KG was great but Kemp was a killer. You couldn't ask more
of a person for a playoff run other than win the title. He faced Jordan
with a 72-10 team. It is what it is. KG wouldn't of done any better.

[FatComputerNerd]

KG was obviously > Kemp overall, but nevertheless, CAstill has won the debate.

[Owl]

You forgot Rodman.

Nope I've seen Kemp above Rodman. Heroes of the Hardcourt by Keith Thompson lists Kemp at 77 and Rodman at 80 (GOAT type list), as does Need To Argue Make a List (Basketball) by Steve Franco who has Kemp 60th amongst all-time forwards with Rodman at 71.

You are most likely right.

I didn't say Kemp WAS better than the guys I listed, I just said that arguments could be made.

BTW, you forgot Webber =-)

Again actually no I was doing a safe list off the top of my head and as I said I'm sure there are others but the aforementioned Need to Argue has Webber 78th amongst all-time forwards. His are assuredly some of the more eccentric lists, but that only goes to strengthen my point that of the many lists I've seen with the multiple different rankings of players I've seen, Kemp is not a top 5 power forward and hasn't and won't be argued above any of the players listed. He'll never be listed above Dirk on any list from after Dirk completed his prime (added to my original list and we have a top 10 which Kemp will never crack) and there are a number of active power forwards who are to vary degrees likely to and capaple of surpassing Shawn Kemp.

[veilside23]

What does that even mean? Are you asking if Kemp has game winners
over KG? I don't think they we're ever in that situation but
you can bet your bottom dollar that Kemp would if he was.

Show me where Gary says Vin baker is the best he's ever played with.
He might of been optimistic about him joining the team back in the day but
that about it.

I'm not saying Kemp should be ranked higher than KG. Nor am I saying
KG isn't one of the best of all time. All I'm saying is that pound for pound
no version of KG in his prime could stop a 96 Kemp. That's it.
KG was great but Kemp was a killer. You couldn't ask more
of a person for a playoff run other than win the title. He faced Jordan
with a 72-10 team. It is what it is. KG wouldn't of done any better.

well you stressed out that as if it was casell who carried that wolves team that kg led to the WCF. on the other hand you praised KEMP as if his team mates were scrubs... in all honesty are you going to take sam casell over gary payton ?

kemp's team mates at that time were not scrubs jordan's team mates on the other hand were sub par outside of rodman and pippen ... not really alot of talent there...

seatles line up was actually better in paper...

2003-2004 kg surely is better than kemp's 96 season.... or any other season that you can think of

2003-2004 kg is almost = to the best season of TD.

[CAstill]

well you stressed out that as if it was casell who carried that wolves team that kg led to the WCF. on the other hand you praised KEMP as if his team mates were scrubs... in all honesty are you going to take sam casell over gary payton ?

kemp's team mates at that time were not scrubs jordan's team mates on the other hand were sub par outside of rodman and pippen ... not really alot of talent there...

seatles line up was actually better in paper...

2003-2004 kg surely is better than kemp's 96 season.... or any other season that you can think of

2003-2004 kg is almost = to the best season of TD.

I stressed it because it was Cassell who hit the clutch shots for his team
while it was Kemp for his. You would think it was Gary for the Sonics
and KG for the Wolves but no.
And No I wouldn't take Cassell over Gary but I would take
the competition Cassell and KG faced in that season over
what Kemp had to overcome in 96.
Kemp did not have scrub teamates, never said or implied he did.
He lost to the one of the GOAT teams which YOU just called filled
with scrubs past Rodamn and Pippen. Toni Kukoc was 6th man of the year.
Steve Kerr sounds was a killer spot up shooter. Luc was solid.
Harper was good too and gave Gary the business in the first two games.
They had players.

Seatle was also inexperienced and it did not matter what was
said on paper as the game is played on the court


And like I said no one is saying KG shouldn't be ranked higher
he just wasn't a ever a better player than 96 Kemp.
Steve Nash won an MVP in 06 he wasn't better than
a 93 Jordan who didn't. Same Logic. KG played great that year.
He won it. Props. Guess what? Still not better than 96 Kemp.
Those guys play the same position, KG would not be able
to contain Kemp off the glass or in the lane.
You're arguing career vs skill in a skills competition
with a career argument. You're not going to win.


and TD>>>Garnett so why is even being brought up?

Stick to Garnett getting his ass whooped by Kemp
Don't go get yourelf killed with Duncan

[veilside23]

I stressed it because it was Cassell who hit the clutch shots for his team
while it was Kemp for his. You would think it was Gary for the Sonics
and KG for the Wolves but no.
and TD>>>Garnett so why is even being brought up?

Stick to Garnett getting his ass whooped by Kemp
Don't go get yourelf killed with Duncan

LoL at kemp hitting and getting them over the hump kemp is not the michael jordan of his team.. it was a total team effort.

If jordan had kemp's team mate he would have swept the bulls .... thats how superior the team mate of kemp over the bulls.

you admit that kemp didnt have scrubs but kg had it when they face the LA dynasty with shaq.. yes it was just 2 games but the only support kg had was sidelined and injured... cant say it could have been more.

give me a statline that kemp totally dominated the game at both ends in 96..

because i am pretty sure i can give you 5 or 6 games that KG literally did everything for his team .... not as the same breath as Kemp did....

[Bigsmoke]

Would not beat Utah.

the Sonics won that series because of Payton going apeshit on Stockton anyway.

[Bigsmoke]

The Sonics played way better teams than the 08 Celtics. Here is Boston's road to the finals that season:

Atlanta- got taken to 7 games by a young sub .500 Hawks team
Cleveland- Got taken to 7 games by a team with Delonte West as the 2nd option
Detroit- Good team but way past prime
LA- Played Lakers without Bynum and Ariza

you can also agree that playing with Pierce and Allen isnt like playing with prime Gary Payton.

i still think the Bulls would win but who knows?

[FatComputerNerd]

Prime Kemp > Dirk

[CAstill]

LoL at kemp hitting and getting them over the hump kemp is not the michael jordan of his team.. it was a total team effort.

If jordan had kemp's team mate he would have swept the bulls .... thats how superior the team mate of kemp over the bulls.

you admit that kemp didnt have scrubs but kg had it when they face the LA dynasty with shaq.. yes it was just 2 games but the only support kg had was sidelined and injured... cant say it could have been more.

give me a statline that kemp totally dominated the game at both ends in 96..

because i am pretty sure i can give you 5 or 6 games that KG literally did everything for his team .... not as the same breath as Kemp did....

Kemp was the best player on the Sonics, he didn't have to be Jordan.
He was Kemp.

And you're a complete fool if you think Jordan on the Sonics was
beating those Bulls with Kemp.
Kemp Pippen Rodam>>>Jordan Payton Scrempf
Have fun getting gaurded by Pippen with Kemp to trap
and play the lane with Rodman waiting to rebound and
piss everybody off.


I never said KG had scrub teamates. He actually had the highest
scoring trio in the league that year

Why do you think I brought up that Cassell point?
He wasn't a scrub, Sam I am was clutch.
Sprewell was putting near 20ppg with good D.
When Cassell went out Wally Stepped in.
He was lights out!
So don't give me that scrub excuse.

96 Kemp>>>03 KG

[veilside23]

Kemp was the best player on the Sonics, he didn't have to be Jordan.
He was Kemp.


96 Kemp>>>03 KG

what is your basis ??? ok want to know what others think time to start a thread then! lets continue our discussion there all that you can say is Sam i am is clutch as if the guy scored more points than payton in the entire series...

Kendall gill >> cassell at that time.. Cassell is not the same guy as he was in houston dont fool your self.. all that you can say is kemp 96 >> KG ... kemp cant even guard tony kukoch for what its worth.. and you think Kemp can guard KG??

And LoL If kemp went to the bulls he wont even make it to the conference finals believe me...Payton Hawkins Shrempf all did their part... not like what MJ did for chicago bulls

as if you are saying that 96 kemp is even better than 96 MJ... you are a kemp ******ger :) i rest my case here... Time to see what others would think!

[veilside23]

oh btw castill 08 KG ... championship year is better than any of your kemp's version..... BETTER!!!!!!!!!

[Bigsmoke]

Kemp was the best player on the Sonics, he didn't have to be Jordan.
He was Kemp.

And you're a complete fool if you think Jordan on the Sonics was
beating those Bulls with Kemp.
Kemp Pippen Rodam>>>Jordan Payton Scrempf
Have fun getting gaurded by Pippen with Kemp to trap
and play the lane with Rodman waiting to rebound and
piss everybody off.


I never said KG had scrub teamates. He actually had the highest
scoring trio in the league that year

Why do you think I brought up that Cassell point?
He wasn't a scrub, Sam I am was clutch.
Sprewell was putting near 20ppg with good D.
When Cassell went out Wally Stepped in.
He was lights out!
So don't give me that scrub excuse.

96 Kemp>>>03 KG

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stupidity at its finest right here

[Kevin_Gamble]

Nope I've seen Kemp above Rodman. Heroes of the Hardcourt by Keith Thompson lists Kemp at 77 and Rodman at 80 (GOAT type list), as does Need To Argue Make a List (Basketball) by Steve Franco who has Kemp 60th amongst all-time forwards with Rodman at 71.

That's kind of a shock. Kemp may get you more points, but Rodman was superior at literally every other facet of the game, and vastly superior at many of them (rebounding, defending without fouling out, passing, playing offense without the ball, etc.)