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I rule the local playground
Re: Mvps that never were
Originally Posted by D.J.
Jason Kidd took a 26 win team and turned them into a 52 win team. The only real changes were Todd MacCulloch replacing Evan Eschmeyer in the starting lineup and Richard Jefferson/Jason Collins coming off the bench.
That was part Kidd but that was also part of the Eastern Conference being so bad that year. Only two teams that year from the Eastern Conference had 50 wins or more compared to 5 for the Western Conference. Kidd that year averaged 14pts 9 rebounds 7assists he was not even averaging a double double it was not even his best statistical season. If you look at team stats that year overall the Nets were 13th while the Spurs were 10th. Or how about the fact that Kidd did not lead the league in averaging in points, rebounds or assists? Just using team records does not show everything.
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College superstar
Re: Mvps that never were
Originally Posted by GoSpursGo1984
That was part Kidd but that was also part of the Eastern Conference being so bad that year. Only two teams that year from the Eastern Conference had 50 wins or more compared to 5 for the Western Conference. Kidd that year averaged 14pts 9 rebounds 7assists he was not even averaging a double double it was not even his best statistical season. If you look at team stats that year overall the Nets were 13th while the Spurs were 10th. Or how about the fact that Kidd did not lead the league in averaging in points, rebounds or assists? Just using team records does not show everything.
That doesn't back Duncan's case. MVP is Most Valuable Player, not Most Valuable Player on a Top Team. Kidd's value goes beyond his 15/9/7/2. You can't punish someone because you feel they're in an inferior conference or because they don't lead the league in any statistical category.
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Titles are overrated
Re: Mvps that never were
The only players that started more than 38 games were 22 year old JJ Hickson and 35 year old Anthony Parker. Varejao played 31 games total and Mo Williams played 34. Pretty sure if everyone were healthy, they'd pull out 30+ wins.
They lost 16 of 17 before they went down.
They were arguably the worst team in the league after a good first week....
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NBA rookie of the year
Re: Mvps that never were
People mentioning Jordan, Shaq, Barkley, etc. are off topic.
The thread asks for players who never won an MVP and should have won it at least once.
Jerry West is the GOAT among all who didn't ever win the MVP, but, despite his 4 second positions, I'm not sure he ever deserved it, either. In 1966, he was not better than Wilt. In 1970, he was better than Reed and Frazier (despite "that" game), but the Lakers won too few games. This would still be his best chance, though. In '71 he had no case for #1 and in '72 he was not better than Kareem and being above Wilt is arguable, as well, and even if he was, Wilt would still be impactful enough to "steal" MVP chances. Not that West cared, anyway.
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fcporto
Re: Mvps that never were
I was just coming here to say it. Players that NEVER won an MVP but should've.
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BASKETBALL Fan
Re: Mvps that never were
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BASKETBALL Fan
Re: Mvps that never were
Wade didn't even come in 2nd place in '09 MVP voting.
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Dunking on everybody in the park
Re: Mvps that never were
Originally Posted by Leftimage
That's one worth saving
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I rule the local playground
Re: Mvps that never were
Originally Posted by D.J.
That doesn't back Duncan's case. MVP is Most Valuable Player, not Most Valuable Player on a Top Team. Kidd's value goes beyond his 15/9/7/2. You can't punish someone because you feel they're in an inferior conference or because they don't lead the league in any statistical category.
It does though because he make his team better by getting them a more wins against better teams. Duncan was playing with who a unknown tony parker and an old David Robinson.Fact is number count somewhat for MVP and Kidd shooting under %40 and not averaging a double double that year hurt him in the voting. Being MVP is more then just who is most valuable if it was just who is most valuable Lebron probably would not have won MVP with the Heat since even though he is the best player he probably would not be considered most valuable since he has Wade and Bosh on his team.
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