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Old 05-05-2019, 12:21 AM   #31
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CURRY CANT HANDLE THE PHYSICAL NATURE OF THE PLAYOFFS .. He has played deep into the playoffs for 5years now. He doesnt have the body to endure imo.. He choked on a couple of layups tonight.. Cant blame injuries on some pretty good looks at layups.. He just cant handle it when teams get tough imo

There you go, hes played a lot of high intensity basketball for 5 years straight now. Deep championship runs, every team in the league gunning for them during the regular season. His health has been pretty good overall during the post season and Finals besides 2016 which was a freak injury where he slipped on some greasy guys sweat and a little banged up this year with a couple of injuries. He has played great in all of the playoffs and Finals during this dynasty's run besides maybe 2016 Finals...and that was after coming back early from that MCL tear. He legit was robbed of FMVP in 2015 and 2018.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:23 AM   #32
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Why wasn't KD doing that shit and leading teams to top offenses and championships before joining Curry's team?
you're not a real warriors fan. warriors wouldn't be what they are without the greatness of kd. don't get confused by the 2015 championship where they played a depleted cavs team and it was still a series. if kyrie suited up the rest of the series the cavs would've won.


with kd the warriors are a legitimate 3-peating dynasty. kd is what puts the team over the edge and kd is the team's best player. just be grateful that you have him.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:47 AM   #33
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you're not a real warriors fan. warriors wouldn't be what they are without the greatness of kd. don't get confused by the 2015 championship where they played a depleted cavs team and it was still a series. if kyrie suited up the rest of the series the cavs would've won.


with kd the warriors are a legitimate 3-peating dynasty. kd is what puts the team over the edge and kd is the team's best player. just be grateful that you have him.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:51 AM   #34
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:53 AM   #35
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:56 AM   #36
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Not sure what you’re laughing at.


He’s still more impactul than MJ.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:00 AM   #37
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Not sure what you’re laughing at.


He’s still more impactul than MJ.

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Old 05-05-2019, 01:07 AM   #38
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Not sure what you’re laughing at.


He’s still more impactul than MJ

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Old 05-05-2019, 09:01 AM   #39
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We're conflating best with most important. In this particular instance there is a difference. The Warriors system is based around Steph's skillset and this is why the team functions optimally when he's on the floor even if KD isn't. When KD is on the floor( and no Steph) there's a lot more iso, less ball movement, more standing around and waiting, in essence more predictable. Dray is reduced as a 2nd playmaker because Steph isn't there playing off the ball, Klay doesn't get the same looks So, the 'team' doesn't play as well collectively( and at least in the regular season, this bears out in the W/L record since 2017 pretty clearly). This is why Steph is the more 'important' player to the team.

KD is the 'better' player in a vacuum. Better defensively, and while Steph is a better shooter overall, KD isn't far behind with the advantage of being 7 feet so when the offense breaks down, or Steph is out/injured he can operate as the 'we have no defense for this guy' option keeping things afloat. He's kind of like the world's greatest insurance policy. The Warriors don't need him to be great in general but they do need him to be all-time elite in 2019. I don't think this was the case in 2016 but this isn't the same team sans KD. Everyone's a little older, guys like Iguodola and Livingston are on the back nine, David West isn't there, Mo Speights( remember him?), Barbosa etc. High energy guys. As much as this team has had all-time level talent, they were also the sum of their parts right down to the 10th man which is what made them special to begin with.
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:24 AM   #40
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Curry is the most important Warrior and their best player by far and it's not close.

Most of you only look at a boxscore and view the game on a surface level.

If you watch this game... you see Curry struggling mightily, and you see Durant popping off from all over the court.

And this is true... but what you don't see that is actually happening is that the entire Warriors team is standing around watching Durant and it takes the entire team out of synch and essentially destroys their identity and turns them into a slightly upgraded version of OKC from like 3 years ago.

When Curry is primarily handling the ball and everyone is moving and running around screens and the ball is flowing, the Warriors blow teams out.

When Durant is primarily handling the ball, everyone is standing around watching him be great... until he stops being great, and it drags the team down.

Kevin Durant is undeniably an amazing basketball player, but you can't compare his offensive impact to Steph Curry's when looking at a large pool of data. It's legitimately not even close.
They're doing that because that's there best option to score. What your missing is teams have adjusted to how the warriors play. They switch everything now which takes away from Klay and Steph's effectiveness because they rely heavily on screens to get open. In Steph's case they sometimes use screens as a way to get him switched on to a bigger slower defender. Teams have adjusted to this also. They've built teams that have more agile bigs that can stay with Steph. If they can't stay with Steph they run him off the three point line and force him to take a 2 where's he less effective.

Most Steph and warrior Stan's are on denial about this fact. It will be much more clear when kd is gone after this year and the warriors are struggling to get out of the first round next year.
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:44 AM   #41
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I remember that. it's not really a surprise to me that they play better with curry alone as opposed to kd alone - they have years of chemistry.

This is KD's 3rd year, that chemistry excuse isn't flying anymore.

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Old 05-05-2019, 12:50 PM   #42
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This is KD's 3rd year, that chemistry excuse isn't flying anymore.

BS.
and how many years have klay curry and draymond played together?


are you saying that you think curry is a better player than durant?
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:03 PM   #43
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They're doing that because that's there best option to score. What your missing is teams have adjusted to how the warriors play. They switch everything now which takes away from Klay and Steph's effectiveness because they rely heavily on screens to get open. In Steph's case they sometimes use screens as a way to get him switched on to a bigger slower defender. Teams have adjusted to this also. They've built teams that have more agile bigs that can stay with Steph. If they can't stay with Steph they run him off the three point line and force him to take a 2 where's he less effective.

Most Steph and warrior Stan's are on denial about this fact. It will be much more clear when kd is gone after this year and the warriors are struggling to get out of the first round next year.

Bingo.

Neither Steph or Klay are great isolations scorers. The 2016 Finals was a wake up moment for the Warriors FO. They needed someone who can get a bucket regardless of the defense.

Some GS fans are in for a rude awakening if they think they will revert back to 2015 and 2016. The league has changed and teams have caught up to their system.
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We're conflating best with most important. In this particular instance there is a difference. The Warriors system is based around Steph's skillset and this is why the team functions optimally when he's on the floor even if KD isn't. When KD is on the floor( and no Steph) there's a lot more iso, less ball movement, more standing around and waiting, in essence more predictable. Dray is reduced as a 2nd playmaker because Steph isn't there playing off the ball, Klay doesn't get the same looks So, the 'team' doesn't play as well collectively( and at least in the regular season, this bears out in the W/L record since 2017 pretty clearly). This is why Steph is the more 'important' player to the team.

KD is the 'better' player in a vacuum. Better defensively, and while Steph is a better shooter overall, KD isn't far behind with the advantage of being 7 feet so when the offense breaks down, or Steph is out/injured he can operate as the 'we have no defense for this guy' option keeping things afloat. He's kind of like the world's greatest insurance policy. The Warriors don't need him to be great in general but they do need him to be all-time elite in 2019. I don't think this was the case in 2016 but this isn't the same team sans KD. Everyone's a little older, guys like Iguodola and Livingston are on the back nine, David West isn't there, Mo Speights( remember him?), Barbosa etc. High energy guys. As much as this team has had all-time level talent, they were also the sum of their parts right down to the 10th man which is what made them special to begin with.
Based on this ^^^^

Curry > Durant

Teams based around curry > teams based around durant

But this isn't true because curry's impact is overblown

Firstly, the system is based around curry AND klay.. without the threat of klay's goat shooting, the system falters similarly to when curry is out

Secondly, the Warriors haven't won as much with Durant when curry is out because durant had only been there for a few years, while curry's been there since the system was first implemented.. if curry retired tomorrow, the Warriors would rebuild their system around durant and probably be more effective.. they wouldn't win 73 because everyone has caught up to the strategic edge the Warriors had, but they'd certainly win the 16' Finals and be a better team against the best comp
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Based on this ^^^^

Curry > Durant

Teams based around curry > teams based around durant

But this isn't true because curry's impact is overblown

Firstly, the system is based around curry AND klay.. without the threat of klay's goat shooting, the system falters similarly to when curry is out

Secondly, the Warriors haven't won as much with Durant when curry is out because durant had only been there for a few years, while curry's been there since the system was first implemented.. if curry retired tomorrow, the Warriors would rebuild their system around durant and probably be more effective.. they wouldn't win 73 because everyone has caught up to the strategic edge the Warriors had, but they'd certainly win the 16' Finals and be a better team against the best comp

If you were to pick two random teams of equal talent and makeup with Durant on one side and Curry on the other, I would take Durant's side. That's why I specified the Warriors system built around Curry( and Klay if you want to include him) because my comment wasn't intended to mean that Curry makes *any* kind of team better than Durant would. If the Dubs were built around KD's talents from scratch then that's an entirely different beast.
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