LeBron was a better defensive player than MJ and Kobe

[MJistheGOAT]

We already knew from eye test, but now we have irrefutable evidence on wax

To make things worse LBJ is guarded the best of the best every night, not Kerry Kittles and Jeff Hornacek

Boris Diaw
JJ Barea
Jason Terry
Jason Kidd
Stephen Curry

[kennethgriffen]

so lebron had 3 chances every year to make all defensive 1st team and kobe/MJ had 2 chances

yet kobe/MJ both made 4 more selections


but OP has peak analytics lol

[TheCorporation]

We already knew from eye test, but now we have irrefutable evidence on wax

To make things worse LBJ is guarded the best of the best every night, not Kerry Kittles and Jeff Hornacek

The more we look, the more we win

MJ is fading faster and faster.

Eye-test = No doubt, who TF else can guard all 5 positions

LBJ was guarding MVP Rose in 4th quarter situations and Gasol in the post and Thiago Splitter/Duncan at the rim

MJ was guarding...John Starks?

I mean cot damn

[AlternativeAcc.]

Kawhi and Iggy got FMVP as SF on the opposing team of Lebron.

Lebron + Wade + Bosh + rest of team + refs + lockout season beat baby KD, baby Wb and 6th man Harden.

KD in 2012 got 30.6 ppg on 548/394/839%
What a defensive performance, GOAT

What were their PPG for those series?

Harden was a budding superstar coming into that 2012 series... until he ran into LeBron

Rockets fans owe their entire lives to LeBron for shutting down Harden's hype or else he would've never been traded. Did the same thing to Rose and Curry.. completely emasculated several MVP's

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=MJistheGOAT]Why do you sometimes use peak or few seasons sample stats and then start boasting about total stats and longevity????

At least be consistent.

I

[tpols]

he has some of the worst defensive playoff performances of all time. dudes literally make their careers against lebron lmao

[TheCorporation]

so lebron had 3 chances every year to make all defensive 1st team and kobe/MJ had 2 chances

yet kobe/MJ both made 4 more selections


but OP has peak analytics lol

Wait a minute, now...Whatever happened to all those "media awards" you were crying about?

Careful now, Kenny

[kennethgriffen]

The more we look, the more we win

MJ is fading faster and faster.

Eye-test = No doubt, who TF else can guard all 5 positions

LBJ was guarding MVP Rose in 4th quarter situations and Gasol in the post and Thiago Splitter/Duncan at the rim

MJ was guarding...John Starks?

I mean cot damn

when the league transitioned to positionless basketball around 2011/12 of course lebron can play center


but he wouldn't have been able to when shaq/yao/ewing types were around


and just being able to matchup physically doesn't mean you can stop anyone

[kennethgriffen]

Wait a minute, now...Whatever happened to all those "media awards" you were crying about?

Careful now, Kenny

coaches voted for all of kobe and MJ's defensive teams moron

[kennethgriffen]

stop quoting yourself to cover up me owning your soul

[Manny98]

so lebron had 3 chances every year to make all defensive 1st team and kobe/MJ had 2 chances

yet kobe/MJ both made 4 more selections


but OP has peak analytics lol

Its 2 guards 2 forwards 1 Center

And because there is a higher quantity of elite defensive forwards than guards its harder for Forwards to get defensive team selections

Chris Paul will finish his career with more defensive first teams than Kawhi that speaks for itself

[TheCorporation]

[LAmbruh]

I saw people arguing he was not better than MJ or Kobe which had me wondering how people didn't know that LeBro most definitely IS a better defensive player So here it is, read it and weap


Regular season
Peak DRtg
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 97, 99, 100 (98.66 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 100, 100, 101 (100.33 average)
Goatbe = 98, 102, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 6.5; 5.7; 5.3 (5.83 average)
[COLOR="Green"]MJ = 6.2; 6.1; 5.6 (5.96 average)[/COLOR]
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.7; .3; .3 (0.76 average)

Landslide win for LeBron. LBJ's peak was better in 2 of 3 categories as was his best 3 season average.


Playoffs


Peak DRtg
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 99, 99, 99 (99 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 101, 101, 101 (101 average)
Goatbe = 99, 101, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 1.6; 1.6; 1.5 (1.56 average *tie)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]MJ = 1.7; 1.5; 1.5 (1.56 average*tie)[/COLOR]
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 5.8; 5.1; 4.3 (5.06 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 4.2; 3.8; 3.3 (3.76 average)
Goatbe =1.4; 1.2; .9 (1.16 average)

And again, another landslide win for LeBron. His peak was better in 2 of 3 categories, as was his best 3 season average.

I almost feel a bit silly posting this. Like, who didn't know this already?

damn

[TheCorporation]

Its 2 guards 2 forwards 1 Center

And because there is a higher quantity of elite defensive forwards than guards its harder for Forwards to get defensive team selections

Chris Paul will finish his career with more defensive first teams than Kawhi that speaks for itself

Exactly, as if Kobe would ever win 1st team versus Kawhi, Draymond, Butler, PG13, etc.

[Rico2016]

I saw people arguing he was not better than MJ or Kobe which had me wondering how people didn't know that LeBro most definitely IS a better defensive player So here it is, read it and weap


Regular season
Peak DRtg
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 97, 99, 100 (98.66 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 100, 100, 101 (100.33 average)
Goatbe = 98, 102, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
LBJ = 6.5; 5.7; 5.3 (5.83 average)
[COLOR="Green"]MJ = 6.2; 6.1; 5.6 (5.96 average)[/COLOR]
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 3.6; 2.8; 2.7 (3.03 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 2.7; 2.3; 1.8 (2.26 average)
Goatbe =1.7; .3; .3 (0.76 average)

Landslide win for LeBron. LBJ's peak was better in 2 of 3 categories as was his best 3 season average.


Playoffs


Peak DRtg
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 99, 99, 99 (99 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 101, 101, 101 (101 average)
Goatbe = 99, 101, 103 (101 average)

Peak DWS
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 1.6; 1.6; 1.5 (1.56 average *tie)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Green"]MJ = 1.7; 1.5; 1.5 (1.56 average*tie)[/COLOR]
Goatbe = 4.5; 4.3; 4.0 (4.26 average)

Peak DPBM
[COLOR="Green"]LBJ = 5.8; 5.1; 4.3 (5.06 average)[/COLOR]
MJ = 4.2; 3.8; 3.3 (3.76 average)
Goatbe =1.4; 1.2; .9 (1.16 average)

And again, another landslide win for LeBron. His peak was better in 2 of 3 categories, as was his best 3 season average.

I almost feel a bit silly posting this. Like, who didn't know this already?