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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by Segatti
Sorry if it wasn't clear, english is not my native language.
Oh, ok. I didn't watch nba back then, so I wasn't sure.
Despite being the greatest defensive guard that's ever played basketball, Gary Payton did not guard Jordan for most of the series. They mostly used Hersey Hawkins on Jordan. Payton didn't do that well himself, and Kemp was phenomenal. Rodman was the second best player on the Bulls, pretty close to Jordan actually. Rodman set offensive rebounding records in that Finals. It was easily Jordan's worst Finals.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by 72-10
Despite being the greatest defensive guard that's ever played basketball, Gary Payton did not guard Jordan for most of the series. They mostly used Hersey Hawkins on Jordan. Payton didn't do that well himself, and Kemp was phenomenal. Rodman was the second best player on the Bulls, pretty close to Jordan actually. Rodman set offensive rebounding records in that Finals. It was easily Jordan's worst Finals.
Who do you think is better, prime Shawn Kemp or current Blake Griffin?
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by Segatti
Because context isn't important at all! It's all Jordan's fault that the Bulls lost in the first round for three straight years, right?
I thought you were Jameer, my bad.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
91 - Bulls with 4-2
92 - Bulls with 4-2
93 - Bulls with 4-1
96 - Bulls with 4-1
97 - Bulls with 4-1
98 - Bulls with 4-3
07 - Spurs with 4-1
11 - Heat with 4-2
12 - Heat with 4-3
13 - Spurs with 4-2
14 - Spurs with 4-0
15 - Warriors with 4-0
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
I'd wager on Portland, Seattle, and Phoenix beating Chicago in the scenarios mentioned. There were other teams during the title years which would also possibly beat the Bulls, but they were in rounds prior to the Finals.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by OldSchoolBBall
I'd wager on Portland, Seattle, and Phoenix beating Chicago in the scenarios mentioned. There were other teams during the title years which would also possibly beat the Bulls, but they were in rounds prior to the Finals.
Joking? Do you mean the Knicks without Ewing? Maybe in 92 based on the way that series went down.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by Segatti
Who do you think is better, prime Shawn Kemp or current Blake Griffin?
Naturally Griffin has more skills, as players are more skilled today. Kemp formed a good duo with Payton, but I'd still say Griffin. I'm too lazy to check a statistical comparison of them right now.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by 72-10
Joking? Do you mean the Knicks without Ewing? Maybe in 92 based on the way that series went down.
I was thinking of the '96 Magic, '92 Knicks, '97 Hawks, '91 Pistons, '93 Cavs, and '98 Pacers. Not saying it's definite, but it's possible.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by OldSchoolBBall
I was thinking of the '96 Magic, '92 Knicks, '97 Hawks, '91 Pistons, '93 Cavs, and '98 Pacers. Not saying it's definite, but it's possible.
they swept the Magic
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
91 Lakers were clearly better outside Magic.
Worthy was an exceptional scorer. Divac much better than Cartwright. Perkins/Horace is a wash, different strengths, but I suppose Horace could be said to be better. Scott is better than Paxson. That was all MJ.
Suns without Barkley also soundly beat MJ less Bulls, KJ was a 20-10 all star guard, Dan Majerle better than anyone outside Pippen.
Blazers about the same strength advantage Bulls because Pippen better than Porter.
Sonics vs Bulls, Pippen vs Kemp advantage Pippen, Hershey Hawkins/McMillan better than Harper, Rodman/Kukoc better than anything else. Close but advantage Bulls.
Jazz vs Bulls advantage Jazz because of hobbled Pippen, declined Rodman.
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Wilt Davis
Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by 72-10
they swept the Magic
So remove Shaq? Yeah, Bulls win.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by 72-10
Payton wasn't even the best player on the 96 Sonics it was Kemp
I think overall Payton was the best player for the Sonics in 96 but Kemp was better in the Finals
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by 72-10
Naturally Griffin has more skills, as players are more skilled today. Kemp formed a good duo with Payton, but I'd still say Griffin. I'm too lazy to check a statistical comparison of them right now.
I'm amazed these 80s/90s fans have let this one go
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by Prime_Shaq
I think overall Payton was the best player for the Sonics in 96 but Kemp was better in the Finals
I didn't see the Sonics in the regular season, I just saw the Finals. So, yeah, I was referring to the Finals. Sorry if that was not clear.
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Re: In which finals Jordan had a better supporting cast...
Originally Posted by Marchesk
So remove Shaq? Yeah, Bulls win.
yep
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