Should these men be credited with Winning an NBA title?

[kennethgriffin]

- Chris Bosh 2012,2013
- Lebron James 2012,2013
- Metta World Peace 2010* ( big shot. but still )
- Ray Allen 2008,2013* ( he might have saved the year. but still )
- Kevin Garnett 2008
- Sam Cassell 2008
- Michael Finley 2007
- Robert Horry 2005,2007
- Brent Barry 2005,2007
- Gary Payton 2006
- Alonzo Morning 2006
- Glenn Robinson 2005
- Steve Kerr 2003
- Mitch Richmond 2002
- Ron Harper 2000,2001
- Robert Parish 1996
- Clyde Drexler 1995



i mean seriously. can we stop crediting these guys with championships so we can do away with this disgusting act

and the funny thing is. i don't even have to say what it is.

and to all the morons about to say kobe did it as a rookie. he became a laker before shaq and shaq was nothing more than a proven choker during the 90s. and the team had to be rebuilt from the ground up before they won anything regardless


lets face it. all those players ( No matter how much impact they had to their titles ) are all equally cheaters who rigged the system in their favor. basically paying for championships by selling their souls. are we gonna lie to ourselves forever? or can we call them out for it right here... right now

[Smoke117]

You're a ****ing clown.

[NZStreetBaller]

As long as you are on the team and played throughout the season/playoffs/finals you contributed. Maybe not the mass portion but you were there.

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b]Rule Enforced Spacing[/b]
Rule Enforced Spacing relates to the offensive floor spacing teams achieved during the Illegal Defense period (1981-2001)

1981 - Illegal Defense Guidelines put in place to [COLOR="Red"]increase scoring and open up the paint[/COLOR]
Passage from Bill Simmons' (Globally known NBA analyst, well respected publically) book

The new wave of coaches made defenses sophisticated enough by 1981 that [COLOR="Red"]the league created an “illegal defense” rule to open up the paint[/COLOR]. Here’s how referee Ed Rush explained it to SI: “We were becoming a jump-shot league, so we went to the coaches and said, ‘You’ve screwed the game with all your great defenses. Now fix it.’ And they did. The new rule will open up the middle and give the great players room to move. People like Julius Erving and David Thompson who used to beat their own defensive man and then still have to pull up for a jump shot because they were being double-teamed, should have an extra four or five feet to move around in. And that’s all those guys need.”

Effect:
1979 league average offensive rating: 103.8

1981-82
[COLOR="Blue"]• Zone defense rules clarified with new rules for Illegal Defensive Alignments.
a. Weak side defenders may come in the pro lane (16’), but not in the college lane (12’) for more than three seconds. [COLOR="Red"](THIS IS THE CURRENT 3 seconds rule)[/COLOR]
b. Defender on post player is allowed in defensive three-second area (A post player is any player adjacent to paint area).
c. Player without ball may not be double-teamed from weak side.
d. Offensive player above foul line and inside circle must be played by defender inside dotted line.
e. If offensive player is above the top of the circle, defender must come to a position above foul line.
f. Defender on cutter must follow the [COLOR="Green"]cutter[/COLOR], [COLOR="Black"]switch[/COLOR], or [COLOR="Red"]double-team[/COLOR] the ball.
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1982: League average offensive rating 106.9

The Illegal Defense Guidelines allowed teams to achieve spacing by simple positioning on the court and not actual shooting ability. The rules allowed them to do so. Today we know the value that the 3 point shot has with regards to opening the lane to the rim, yet in the 80's and 90's (before they shortened the 3pt line) the league average ranged from 2 3pters a game, to 10. How were these teams able to be such efficient offenses without having shooters to spread the half court? The Rules enforced, allowed them to do so... Commonly known as the ISO, or Clear-out, that commentators would mention at the time.

[COLOR="Red"]DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE SPACING, THIS MADE THESE PLAYS EFFICIENT AND LEGITIMATE AS A CONSISTENT MEANS OF SCORING[/COLOR]


Barkley is allowed easy post position and entry due to section C of the Illegal Defense Guidelines (CANNOT DOUBLE SOMEONE OFF-BALL) and has the lane open to work his post moves, as his team mates are situated in a spread manner, kind of like today where shooters hang at the 3pt line to space the floor, except these guys are not 3pt shooters... Simply providing positioning to achieve appropriate spacing for Barkley. Charles has enough time to get into a favorable turnaround jumper, before the hard double can get there. Defenders on the weak side are sagging off slightly, which could be considered a phantom zone, which was the topic of conversation during the Illegal Defense era.


Barkley iso's on the strong side, as his team mates clear to the weak side to open up the floor. The center in the middle gets caught out and if not for Barkley's quick shot attempt, would have been called for Illegal defense. You can see the attention that the defenders are paying to Barkley's teammates flooding the weak side to open the floor for Barkley's ISO. This is kind of messy but it provides the opportunity and spacing via Illegal defense rules, for Barkley to capitalize on the smaller opponent.


David Robinson has the floor open because his teammates are situated in a very modern 3pt shooting style spread. Make it known that, they are NOT 3pt threats nor was it used as such weapon during this time period. [COLOR="Red"]The spacing is provided by the Illegal defense rules[/COLOR]. Once again we see the weakside defenders sagging off a little, playing a phantom zone, but it really has minimal effect on Robinson, as he is able to comfortably get to his spot and hit a nice 10 foot jumper over the smaller opponent.


Robinson is allowed easy post position and entry due to section C of the Illegal Defense Guidelines (CANNOT DOUBLE SOMEONE OFF-BALL) and has the lane open to work his post moves, as his team mates are situated in a spread manner, kind of like today where shooters hang at the 3pt line to space the floor, except these guys are not 3pt shooters... [COLOR="Red"]Simply providing positioning to achieve appropriate spacing for Robinson.[/COLOR] David has enough time to get into a favorable point blank dropstep basket, before the hard double can get there. Defenders on the weak side are sagging off slightly, which could be considered a phantom zone, which was the topic of conversation during the Illegal Defense era.


Robinson isolates on the right wing, while his team mates situate towards to perimeter, to facitilate and provide adequate spacing for Robinson. 2 above the key and the other 2 at the corner 3. A quick mobile athlete like Robinson is able to capitalize and beat the hard double team and finish at the hoop strong. Robinson's spaced out team mates are not all 3pt shooters, the Illegal defense rules allow them to position themselves to create the space required for the Robinson ISO drive to the hoop.

[kennethgriffin]

You're a ****ing clown.

I DID IT WADE! I DID IT! THANKS! PEACE!

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wrong thread sorry

[kennethgriffin]

wrong thread sorry

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this dude not know you can delete posts yet?

[BasedTom]

michael finley is underrated all time

[Smoke117]

Drexler, Garnett, and Allen were traded to the respective teams they won a championship on you dimwit...and the why the **** are you even bringing up Robert Parish on the 96 bulls? It's ironic you would even bring up the Garnett trade seeing as you got your precious Kobe Pau to carry him by trading a prospect for him...at least the Twolves actually got something concrete in Al Jefferson when they traded Garnett away.

[zeerghit]

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this dude not know you can delete posts yet?

what about 2000-2002 kobe?

[kennethgriffin]

Drexler, Garnett, and Allen were traded to the respective teams they won a championship on you dimwit...and the why the **** are you even bringing up Robert Parish on the 96 bulls? It's ironic you would even bring up the Garnett trade seeing as you got your precious Kobe Pau to carry him by trading a prospect for him...at least the Twolves actually got something concrete in Al Jefferson when they traded Garnett away.

dude.. were you born yesterday



yeah and bosh was traded by toronto to miami... lebron was traded by cleveland to miami.


DERP!


lol what a f*cking moron


drexler and KG were sent by their teams to winning situations because they asked them where they wanted to go out of respect for their years of service

KG refused to go unless he and Allen both agreed before hand that both were accepting trades to boston

KG originally turned down the offer before allen was involved


learn your f*cking history


trades most of the time in ring chasing situations are player initiated... ala bosh/bran

[Sportal]

Kobe had the mad help but OP happy to talk shit about others.

[kennethgriffin]

what about 2000-2002 kobe?

and to all the morons about to say kobe did it as a rookie. he became a laker before shaq and shaq was nothing more than a proven choker during the 90s. and the team had to be rebuilt from the ground up before they won anything regardless

^^ covered in OP

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe had the mad help but OP happy to talk shit about others.

out of all the dudes on the 2000-2002 laker title team

the only guy that was on LA before kobe was derek fisher




dat ring chasing doe

[zeerghit]

^^ covered in OP

nice you guys are retards, its pretty obvious, so goodluck,keep troling.