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Old 10-04-2019, 12:06 PM   #16
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Default Re: Jordan beat a better version of 07' and 11' Lebron in 1992

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2011 James in the RS went for 26-7-7.... NOT 23-8-6

always having to change LeBron's numbers to make them lower just screams that you know deep down LeBron > MJ.
I just fixed all that, and I had originally overstated Lebron's assists and rebounds

Ultimately, the stats show that 92' Drexler was easily superior in the playoffs and Finals to 07/11 Lebron, while being equal in the regular season
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:16 PM   #17
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I just fixed all that, and I had originally overstated Lebron's assists and rebounds

Ultimately, the stats show that 92' Drexler was easily superior in the playoffs and Finals to 07/11 Lebron, while being equal in the regular season
07 (LeBron's 4th season) he was leading his team to the Finals.

Drexler's 4th season, he finally won the full time starting SG job over Jim Paxson.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:16 PM   #18
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PER , DRtg, babyboi.
^^^ we don't have PER data for the Finals, and drtg is basically a team stat


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PER , DRtg, babyboi.

No one paid attention to Pippen at 2nd option and he had a light load on both ends, yet Drexler still outplayed him while guarding MJ:

Drexler 1992 Finals... 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Pippen 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc


When old Drexler had the same easy load as 2nd option, his advantage was bigger:

Drexler 1995 Finals... 21.5.. 9.5.. 6.8.. 56.0 ts.. 1.5 tov.. 126 ortg.. 20.1 gmsc
Pippen 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc
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Imagine having a sidekick capable of game 6 Pippen
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07 (LeBron's 4th season) he was leading his team to the Finals.

Drexler's 4th season, he finally won the full time starting SG job over Jim Paxson.
Drexler's advantage was actually bigger against 11' Lebron ...
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Drexler's advantage was actually bigger against 11' Lebron ...
MJs 2nd option was better than Drexler
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Default Re: Jordan beat a better version of 07' and 11' Lebron in 1992

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^^^ we don't have PER data for the Finals, and drtg is basically a team stat




No one paid attention to Pippen at 2nd option and he had a light load on both ends, yet Drexler still outplayed him while guarding MJ:

Drexler 1992 Finals... 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Pippen 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc


When old Drexler had the same easy load as 2nd option, his advantage was bigger:

Drexler 1995 Finals... 21.5.. 9.5.. 6.8.. 56.0 ts.. 1.5 tov.. 126 ortg.. 20.1 gmsc
Pippen 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc
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Drexler was padding his stats, then going 8/24, while Pippen came up in the clutch 4th quarter.
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Imagine having a sidekick capable of game 6 Pippen
Kyrie had better games in 2016 and 2017 Finals (40-pt games in do-or-die situations).. 28 ppg Finals average and legendary shot to win it

Wade was better in Game 4 of 2013 Finals (32 pts, 6 steals), and various games in 2012, and all of 2011

Ultimately, Wade and Kyrie's Finals stats destroy Pippen's..
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Old 10-04-2019, 02:12 PM   #24
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What are those regular season numbers? Dont look right for even per 36 or 48.

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Fixed

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Old 10-04-2019, 02:14 PM   #25
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That sweet irony when Pippen outplayed Drexler in the finals and led them back in the game six with Ordan on the bench.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ByNeavLHSRU

If anything that's a complement to MJ for having the ability to mold such a player to achieve that level of success. Meanwhile Lebron molded no one, and is actually criticized by the masses for making teammates worse because his play style forces them to be spot up shooters.

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MJ is a mcdonald

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If anything that's a complement to MJ for having the ability to mold such a player to achieve that level of success. Meanwhile Lebron molded no one, and is actually criticized by the masses for making teammates worse because his play style forces them to be spot up shooters.

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Lebron molded Kyrie into a giant killer. Make you abandoned your account.
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Lebron molded Kyrie into a giant killer. Make you abandoned your account.
only pippen gets credit for having 29 and 30-pt games

no one else has a thread about ordinary stuff like that - only pippen

pippen never had a notable SERIES - he's never had a legendary series where everyone was like, wow, pippen killed everyone.. players can only achieve that if they win FMVP like Dumars, Tony Parker, Worthy, Chauncey, Cedric Maxwell, and many other 2nd options.. or simply have a killer series where they rival or take over the 1st option duties - i.e. Worthy in the 87' and 88' playoffs, including 87' ECF (31 on 60%), or Kyrie in the 2016 Finals (27 ppg and clinching-shot), or Wade in the 11' Finals.

Pippen simply wasn't a great scorer and never commanded a double team or was even TASKED with taking a big shot in a big series.. the worst offensive 2nd option of any dynasty, and nearly any champion
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:59 PM   #30
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It is understandable that people choose Pippen over Drexler because, appart from being a great player himself, we connect Pippen's career with success, while that doesn't happen as much with Drexler.

I think Drexler was the better first option player, but if I already had a superstar in my team, I might choose Pippen (of course, Pippen winning 6 rings has a big influence on me, if that didn't happen in real life, I guess I would choose Drexler everytime).

Pippen and Drexler are actually really similar players as far as their scoring goes. The difference is Drexler played in the high octane Blazer offense's while Pippen played in the slow triangle offense. Scottie's best attribute as a scorer was his open court game. (where he's top 10) He was basically a one man fast break. If you put him on those Blazer teams his scoring would look more similar to Drexlers. I've always said the two best overall players in that 92 finals were Jordan and Pippen. Drexler's 4ppg doesn't outweigh how much better a defensive player and overall player Pippen was than Drexler throughout the season.

OP is just tiresome with this nonsense at this point, though. The regular season can't come soon enough when most of his threads will just be deleted.

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