Stats from 1990-1999 for the best small forwards of the 90's

[3ball]

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]1990-1999[/COLOR]


Hill RS................. 20.7.. 8.1.. 6.5.. 47.2%
Hill PO................. 20.9.. 7.1.. 5.8.. 46.6%

Dominique RS..... 23.5.. 6.6.. 2.6.. 45.4%
Dominique PO..... 20.9.. 7.0.. 2.3.. 40.5%

Worthy RS........... 17.2.. 4.2.. 3.3.. 47.5%
Worthy PO........... 20.8.. 4.4.. 3.4.. 46.2%

Drexler RS........... 20.9.. 6.4.. 5.7.. 45.6%
Drexler PO........... 21.0.. 7.1.. 6.1.. 45.0%

Penny RS............ 19.0.. 4.7.. 6.3.. 47.2%
Penny PO............ 21.8.. 4.7.. 6.5.. 45.8%.. outplayed Pippen in 95' and 96' playoffs

V Baker RS.......... 18.1.. 9.0.. 2.5.. 50.0%

Bird RS................. 21.6.. 9.2.. 7.2.. 46.6%
Bird PO................ 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 43.3%

Mullin RS.............. 19.0.. 4.6.. 3.6.. 51.5%
Mullin PO*............ 22.5.. 5.6.. 3.1.. 51.4%

Pippen RS............. 19.2.. 7.2.. 5.9.. 48.1%
Pippen PO............. 19.1.. 7.9.. 5.5.. 44.4%


[Color="darkred"]^^^ Pippen doesn't stand out, and it's infact Bird, Dominique, and Hill that stand out from everyone else.

And here's a couple combo forwards that were better than Pippen:[/color]


D Coleman RS....... 18.8.. 10.0.. 3.0.. 44.9%
D Coleman PO....... 24.7.. 13.0.. 4.2.. 47.9%

Kemp RS............... 17.9.. 10.2.. 2.1.. 50.9%
Kemp PO............... 19.0.. 10.6.. 2.1.. 50.2%

- Plus Barkley was better - he was often a SF on the all-nba 1st team across from PF Malone

* Mullin's 3 years as a playoff starter were used
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[superduper]

Bu-buh top 3

[90sgoat]

Pippen was only a top 3 small forward for a few years after Bird retired and Worthy, Drexler and Nique got old. Anyone who watched Bulls vs Magic in the finals would know Worthy was for sure the better player.

Then Pippen got pushed off again with Penny and Hill, who no doubt, were far superior players and much bigger names.

[Manny98]

So Pippen put up similar numbers on offense despite being a second option his entire career so his numbers would be even better if he had the opportunity to play as a 1st option his entire career like Drexler and Hill whilst playing better defense than all of those Small towards combined

Pippen was EASILY the best small forward of the 90s, probably the second best non bigman of the entire era

[Reggie43]

Coleman, Baker and Kemp played SF?? Penny atleast could switch to the position but we all know he mostly played the combo guard spot.

[bigkingsfan]

Pippen has more defensive awards than all those players combined. Any of those guys even make a team?

[3ball]

So Pippen put up similar numbers on offense despite being a second option his entire career so his numbers would be even better if he had the opportunity to play as a 1st option his entire career like Drexler and Hill whilst playing better defense than all of those Small towards combined

Pippen was EASILY the best small forward of the 90s, probably the second best non bigman of the entire era

Why would you bring up 1st option stats???... it's common knowledge that Pippen doesn't compare to Dominique, Clyde, Worthy or Bird as a 1st option dude... Clyde led his team to the Finals twice, while averaging 26 ppg against the 90' Bad Boys and 92' MJ... Dominique averaged 30 in 1993... And you know Pippen can't touch Bird.

regardless, Pippen played to capacity next to MJ, so your theory doesn't work anyway.. His best raw production alongside Mike (21.0 and 7.0 apg) was better than his best without him (22.0 and 5.6 apg)

ultimately, the stats tell the story - during the first 3-peat, pippen was inferior to Bird, Dominique, and Mullin... During the 2nd three-peat, he was inferior to Hill and Penny... Meanwhile, Clyde was a far better as a 1st option, and his 95' run at 2nd option was better than pippen's career at 2nd option

[Manny98]

Why would you bring up 1st option stats???... it's common knowledge that Pippen doesn't compare to Dominique, Clyde, Worthy or Bird as a 1st option dude... Clyde led his team to the Finals twice, while averaging 26 ppg against the 90' Bad Boys and 92' MJ... Dominique averaged 30 in 1993... And you know Pippen can't touch Bird.

regardless, Pippen played to capacity next to MJ, so your theory doesn't work anyway.. His best raw production alongside Mike (21.0 and 7.0 apg) was better than his best without him (22.0 and 5.6 apg)

ultimately, the stats tell the story - during the first 3-peat, pippen was inferior to Bird, Dominique, and Mullin... During the 2nd three-peat, he was inferior to Hill and Penny... Meanwhile, Clyde was a far better as a 1st option, and his 95' run at 2nd option was better than pippen's career at 2nd option

Ok but that doesn't change the fact that Pippens 21/7 averages are better than anyone you just listed especially when you take into account Pippen being a better defender than all of them combined

Seriously how many players in history can get you 21/7/7 with elite defense like prime Pippen? He truly was a one of a kind player

[Hey Yo]

Why would you bring up 1st option stats???... it's common knowledge that Pippen doesn't compare to Dominique, Clyde, Worthy or Bird as a 1st option dude... Clyde led his team to the Finals twice, while averaging 26 ppg against the 90' Bad Boys and 92' MJ... Dominique averaged 30 in 1993... And you know Pippen can't touch Bird.

regardless, Pippen played to capacity next to MJ, so your theory doesn't work anyway.. His best raw production alongside Mike (21.0 and 7.0 apg) was better than his best without him (22.0 and 5.6 apg)

ultimately, the stats tell the story - during the first 3-peat, pippen was inferior to Bird, Dominique, and Mullin... During the 2nd three-peat, he was inferior to Hill and Penny... Meanwhile, Clyde was a far better as a 1st option, and his 95' run at 2nd option was better than pippen's career at 2nd option

Why wouldn't you bring up defensive stats?

How many of those players made All-NBA and All-Defensive NBA in the same year like Pip did in several consecutive years?

[RRR3]

Pippen’s career high in scoring is higher than Worthy’s.

[3ball]

Pippen has more defensive awards than all those players combined. Any of those guys even make a team?

Where was Pippen's defense against:


Worthy 1991 Finals.... 19 on 48% (injured)

X-man 1992 ECSF....... 19 on 48% (Pippen 16 on 42%)
Nance 1992[COLOR="White"]'.[/COLOR] ECF.'...... 18 on 47%

Nique. 1993 1st Rd..... 30 on 43% (Pippen 16 on 43%
Nance 1993.. ECSF..... 17 on 62%

Penny 1996 ECF.......... 26 on 47%
Detlef 1996 Finals....... 16 on 48% (pippen 16 on 34%)

Pippen has more defensive awards than all those players combined. Any of those guys even make a team?

Pippen's defense only gave Bulls the 7th, 4th, and 7th best defenses from 91-93', so
why do we say Pippen's defense makes up for his many series of 15 ppg on 33-40%??? (shown below)

[COLOR="Navy"]Garnett, Duncan, Payton and others were equal or better defenders than Pippen, and we'd never accept 15 on 33% from them in their prime.. that would be massive black marks on their careers forever

Pippen's many horrific series should be looked at the same way (as black marks)[/COLOR] - this would elevate MJ more for carrying the offense with goat scoring, while achieving the goat scoring in a system designed for role players (elevating teammates)..

Ultimately, MJ won as "the man" twice as much as anyone in modern history (6 rings to 3), while being #1 in PPG, efficiency rating, and 2-way accolades - but this unmatchable goat resume gets underrated because of shenanigans like overrating Pippen above the help that others had

Pippen has more defensive awards than all those players combined. Any of those guys even make a team?

Pippen has the most number of horrible performances ever:

1988 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 10.0 on 46.5%

1989 PLAYOFFS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 13.1 on 46.2%

1990 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] DET:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 42.8%

1992 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.0 on 40.2%

1993 RD 1 vs. ATL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.0 on 42.2%

1995 ECSF vs ORL:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] vs. MIA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECF[COLOR="White"]S[/COLOR] vs[COLOR="White"]N[/COLOR] IND:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 15.7 on 41.0%

[Smoke117]

OP is so daft that he doesn't realize he's done more to make people hate Jordan on this board than anyone or anything ever could.

[3ball]

OP is so daft that he doesn't realize he's done more to make people hate Jordan on this board than anyone or anything ever could.

Facts are tough for the wrong side to accept, so they dig in rather than concede, yeah I get it

[Smoke117]

Facts are tough for the wrong side to accept, so they dig in rather than concede, yeah I get it

No, most people are just sane. I know sanity is a foreign concept to you, of course.

[bigkingsfan]

MJ defensive impact was the equivalent of Pete Myers, stats say so right?