Lebron is not even a top 15 player all-time

[Rodmantheman]

stupid

[Rodmantheman]

16. Michael Jordan
17. Karl Malone
18. Isaiah Thomas
19. Charles Barkeley
20. David Robinson
21. Kevin McHale
22. Reggie Miller
23. James Worthy
24. Dwyane Wade
25. Bobb Pettit
26. John Havlicek
27. Rick Barry
28. Elvin Hayes
29. Bob Cousy
30. Jason Kidd
31. Carmelo Anthony
32. Kevin Durant
33. Allen Iverson
34. Patrick Ewing
35. Clyde Drexler
36. Steve Nash
37. Sam Jones
38. Dwight Howard
39. Chris Mullin
40. Grant Hill
41. Paul Pierce
42. Rajon Rondo
43. Vince Carter
44. Pau Gasol

name more please.

[onhcetum]

What's your argument for Reggie Miller being ahead of LeBron

For one, he isn't a mental midget and doesn't fold under pressure. Two, he's played with the same team his entire career. How many titles does he win had he joined the Bulls when he was 25 years old?

He's also a better shooting than Lebron. Has Reggie Miller EVER been regulated to a third fiddle in his prime? Has he ever disappeared in an entire series?

[SOD 21]

Lebron James is one of my least favorite players in the NBA, so let me get that out of the way first.

With that said, someone would have to be a fool and blind to suggest that he's not a top 15 player all-time. He is top two in PER all-time, only two players have more MVP awards than he does, and he's a unique talent who is likely unparalled with his combination of size, athleticism, ball handling skills with great vision and a remarkable skill set.

On top of all that, he's only 30 years old and his new team is going to be completely stacked and easily competing for titles for the next 4-5 years, assuming that everyone stays together and healthy. His Cavs may have the best starting five in the NBA.

[SouBeachTalents]

For one, he isn't a mental midget and doesn't fold under pressure. Two, he's played with the same team his entire career. How many titles does he win had he joined the Bulls when he was 25 years old?

He's also a better shooting than Lebron. Has Reggie Miller EVER been regulated to a third fiddle in his prime? Has he ever disappeared in an entire series?

How many MVP's/Finals MVP's would he have won?

[red1]

For one, he isn't a mental midget and doesn't fold under pressure. Two, he's played with the same team his entire career. How many titles does he win had he joined the Bulls when he was 25 years old?

He's also a better shooting than Lebron. Has Reggie Miller EVER been regulated to a third fiddle in his prime? Has he ever disappeared in an entire series?

done smoked one too many cracks for your own good boy

[LAZERUSS]

Well, if you throw out his rings, MVPs, FMVPs, scoring titles, playoff scoring, eFG% effciency, PER, and playoff "must win" scoring games (hint: he is #1 all-time)...

then sure, he is not a Top-15 player.

[onhcetum]

Those 10 players have a combined four MVPs....or the same as Lebron has by himself.

In a weak era when Duncan, KG, Dirk, Kobe, Nash, and Kidd are old or have retired... I doubt he'd have 4 MVP's with Hakeem, Robinson, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Kareem, and Ewing in the league...

His biggest rivals have been Derrick Rose and Paul George... Derrick Rose hasn't seen the court in almost three seasons, and Paul George and his rest of the Indiana Pacers are mental midgets.

So yes, he's better than his competition.

[RRR3]

OP we all know you don't believe any of this shit you're spewing. In other words you're just begging for attention (and you're getting it so congrats! )

[GODbe]

Well, if you throw out his rings, MVPs, FMVPs, scoring titles, playoff scoring, eFG% effciency, PER, and playoff "must win" scoring games (hint: he is #1 all-time)...

then sure, he is not a Top-15 player.

How about when you factor in:

1. Ring : Asterisk ratio
2. Putting forth 2 of the biggest NBA finals chokejobs in NBA history, and some of the worst finals stats ever
3. Being on one of the most stacked teams of all time and still having a losing record in the NBA finals
4. getting outplayed by pretty much the entire bench in a finals series, on several occasions
5. becoming a useless player when guarded by fat guys


etc?

[onhcetum]

In a weak era when Duncan, KG, Dirk, Kobe, Nash, and Kidd are old or have retired... I doubt he'd have 4 MVP's with Hakeem, Robinson, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Ewing, Kareem, and Ewing in the league...

His biggest rivals have been Derrick Rose and Paul George... Derrick Rose hasn't seen the court in almost three seasons, and Paul George and his rest of the Indiana Pacers are mental midgets.

So yes, he's better than his competition.

Oh I forgot to add Wade, but he joined teams with him. We were robbed of Wade vs. Lebron show downs in the playoffs and Christmas afternoon matchups.

[red1]

How about when you factor in:

1. Ring : Asterisk ratio
2. Putting forth 2 of the biggest NBA finals chokejobs in NBA history, and some of the worst finals stats ever
3. Being on one of the most stacked teams of all time and still having a losing record in the NBA finals
4. getting outplayed by pretty much the entire bench in a finals series, on several occasions
5. becoming a useless player when guarded by fat guys


etc?

Cmon bro . Reaching pretty hard on all of these.

[onhcetum]

Once I saw Reggie Millers name I mentally scratched you off the list of people to take serious. Doesnt mean you are stupid...but it does mean you are unreasonable. And I dont need a long unreasonable discussion right now. i'll say this...

History wont agree and there is nothing you can do about it.

But feel free to ice skate up that hill...

You arent doing anything wrong exactly. You are wrong...but you arent being a dick or anything so...ill show myself out and let you get whatever enjoyment out of this you get.

So, I'll give you a chance. What's your defense of Lebron on the following...

- teaming up with Wade and Bosh, and then leaving them, for two more superstars
- 2011 NBA Finals
- 2013 NBA Finals Game 6 (three turnovers and two bricks)... seriously, can you imagine his legacy had Miami lost?
- 2014 NBA Finals Game 1... only guy that cramped up... Miami was up 8 and on there way to victory... Miami could have been up 0-2 headed into Miami...
- 2014 NBA Finals Game 5... checked out of the game when it was still in reach
- then trying to recruit Carmelo Anthony... HOW MUCH HELP DOES HE NEED?

[pauk]

Lebron still hasn't won a title on his own.

Great, another dreadful poster weeping about Lebrons success, but i have to still ask, what does this above even mean and can you maybe even give an example on that player who did "win a title on his own"?

[Straight_Ballin]

Go ahead

The typical response to his post would have been "what about MJ"

You just got ether'd so bad.....