Tiers in the NBA

[Milbuck]

Harden is not a superstar

If there's more than 50-50 chance that you shit yourself in the playoffs, you're not a superstar. If you're a one-dimensional cancer who isn't even guaranteed to do well on that end of the floor in the postseason, you're not a superstar.

[juju151111]

Only superstars in the NBA are

Lebron
Davis
Durant
Harden
Westbrook
Curry (the most debatable)

Then there's a drop. Irving is a notch below with Butler, Griffin, Wall, Paul, Cousins, George, Klay, Kawhi, might be missing someone.

Then there's another drop for guys like Derozan, Love, Aldridge, etc.

How is Westbrook higher then kawhi

[Milbuck]

How is Westbrook higher then kawhi

By being a better player.

[bizil]

I think you have Mt. Rushmore guys (face of the league guys), superstars, All Stars, borderline All Stars, and solid starters. If the Mt. Rushmore means the top four players in the world, then that would be:

Bron
KD
Curry
Westbrook

So after the Mt.Rushmore kind of guys, u still have a tier of guys that could actually still be considered superstar level players. And over time, some of these guys could rise to Mt. Rushmore at some point in their career:

CP3
Boogie
Harden
Blake
Davis
Leonard

From here, u have guys who are clear All Star kind of guys. Some like a Melo and Wade arguably aren't superstars anymore. Other guys like Kyrie, Wall, KAT, Paul George, etc. or on the verge or could one day be superstar caliber players. But health or maturation are the things stopping them. Guys like a Lowry, Derozan, etc. will likely NEVER rise above this area.

[bobopenguin]

Only superstars in the NBA are

Lebron
Davis
Durant
Harden
Westbrook
Curry (the most debatable)

Then there's a drop. Irving is a notch below with Butler, Griffin, Wall, Paul, Cousins, George, Klay, Kawhi, might be missing someone.

Then there's another drop for guys like Derozan, Love, Aldridge, etc.

how is harden a superstar when u put curry as the most debatable superstar?
harden is just an all star.

[BigKAT]

I think you have Mt. Rushmore guys (face of the league guys), superstars, All Stars, borderline All Stars, and solid starters. If the Mt. Rushmore means the top four players in the world, then that would be:

Bron
KD
Curry
Westbrook

So after the Mt.Rushmore kind of guys, u still have a tier of guys that could actually still be considered superstar level players. And over time, some of these guys could rise to Mt. Rushmore at some point in their career:

CP3
Boogie
Harden
Blake
Davis
Leonard

From here, u have guys who are clear All Star kind of guys. Some like a Melo and Wade arguably aren't superstars anymore. Other guys like Kyrie, Wall, KAT, Paul George, etc. or on the verge or could one day be superstar caliber players. But health or maturation are the things stopping them. Guys like a Lowry, Derozan, etc. will likely NEVER rise above this area.

Yup.
That assesment makes sense to me.
I don't know about Cousins though. He proved he can put up stats, but not that he can win games. And honestly his team wasn't that bad at all this year,

Rudy Gay is solid,
Rajon Rondo wasn't bad at all
Marco Belineli and Omri Casspi are solid roleplayers with great range

Scramento was a shit show without that much of an excuse other then poor chemstry and meltdowns. So I dunno about Cousins being that high.

Other then that? Yeah, I totally agree you.

[ralph_i_el]

Don't underrate KAT! He's at least borderline All-star last season. Someone of his size, with good hands and the ability to shoot? Worth his weight in gold in this league.



As a Wizards fan, I appreciate the big impact that Gortat has on the floor. He's really solid. I'd still rather have current KAT

[juju151111]

By being a better player.

He not a better player through

[Nilocon165]

He not a better player through

You fcking serious bro?

[Suguru101]

What happens is that people don't make a tier between all star level and superstar.... Which leads to players like Blake Griffin, who are franchise players but not superstars, being grouped with normal all Stars like Kyle Lowry.

There should be a tier in between called either "All-NBA", "Franchise players" or "Perennial All Stars"

That way Paul George is in a higher tier than DeMar Derozan who was an all star, but it's not the Superstar tier.

Westbrook is another player who is not a true superstar, but he's definitely an mvp candidate and a franchise player.

Only Superstars in the league right now are LeBron, a healthy Curry, and Durant.

[Prime_Shaq]

IMO superstars:
LeBron James
Stephen Curry
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook

[hold this L]

Superstars
Lebron, Steph, Durant, Westbrook, & Kawhi

[Tking714]

how is harden a superstar when u put curry as the most debatable superstar?
harden is just an all star.

You don't put up numbers like Harden by being just an all star; Lowry is just an all star.

Curry is most debatable because of his size and his team. There's questions on his impact when there's not as much spacing outside of the golden state system.

Whereas the other guys are athletic freaks with size and can get their stats no matter what/what era.

[Orlando Magic]

Legends:
Allen Iverson

[Annyong!]

Kyrie is a superstar.