D-Rose physically looked healthy

[NumberSix]

Of course he looked healthy. He last played when LeBron had 2 MVPs and 0 rings.

[poido123]

Of course he looked healthy. He last played when LeBron had 2 MVPs and 0 rings.

Deep down you love Rose Which is why you frequent every Rose thread on ISH

[Dro]

He looked fine other than the fact that he didn't do any hopsteps or jumpstops so that remains to be seen...

[nathanjizzle]

can bulls fans stop responding to the desperate trolls?

[97 bulls]

24 people have posted in this thread. Seven are Heat fans. Theyre definitely concerned.

We cant expect much from him its his first game in over a year. He will improve as time gies and his confidence grows

[secund2nun]

Just like Rose himself, his return is massively overrated. They have almost no chance to even win the ECF. Miami is heavy favorites with Indy having the 2nd best chance. Rose does not really improve Chicago's chances of beating Miami much at all. His iso ball and his extreme shot jacking low efficiency scoring does not hurt Miami at all. It plays into the hands of Miami defensive scheme. You beat Miami by using team ball movement to generate 3 point shots (2013 Spurs did a really good job at that even though they fell short) or by a dominant post presence that deters the Miami paint scoring and/or takes advantage of Miami's lack of centers to get easy consistent baskets. Rose does not enhanced any of these 2 factors. I would argue that he actually hurts the first factor.

Rose....let's see...he is a mediocre defender at a position that can't really impact defense much, he is a ball hog ball stopper who plays iso ball and no team ball, his passing is average for a PG, he really doesn't impact rebounding because he is a average sized PG, and his scoring is average as well. In 2011 he had 44.5% fg and 25 ppg on 20 shots per game= average....then in 2012 he was even worse 43.5% fg and 22 ppg on 18 shots per game...oh and he is coming off of a major surgery and he is a small athleticism dependent player.

He is not even a superstar, let alone a star. He is merely a good player...that's it.

There is a reason his FG% was 48.9% his 2nd year, 44.5% his 3rd year, and 43.5% fg his 4th year. Of course Rose is better in his 3rd and 4th season than his 2nd season, but his fg keeps going down from his 2nd season because he was given a larger and larger scoring role as each season passed, but he is simply not good enough to handle that large of a load.

He was taking less than 1 three pointer per game in 2010, yet in 2011 he took nearly 5 and 2012 4.4 attempts per game. He is a bad 3 point shooter, he needs to stop taking those 3 point shots. If there is nothing available in the paint for him then he just needs to pass it, not try to be some hero fake superstar by jacking up 3s. Because of his lack of size he can't just will himself into the paint for superstar quantity level of points like Lebron or a dominant post player can. There is no reason a poor 3 point shooter like Rose should be shooting 4.4 and 4.8 three point attempts per game.

[nathanjizzle]

He is not even a superstar, let alone a star. He is merely a good player...that's it.

[TheCorporation]

I watched Rose, rusty, returning from an ACL tear ... attack the interior defense of the Pacers, particularly Roy Hibbert with more heart, determination, and competitive drive than LeBron did in the entire Eastern Conference Finals. Even though he has about 6 - 8 inches on Rose.



If Rose gets everything going, plays like he did in 2011 and 2012 prior to injury, with an improved Jimmy Butler. This Bulls team can really do some damage if they all remain healthy. Dunleavy is a slept on addition too, he will provide a lot of space for Rose and Boozer. This season leaves me as a Bulls fan with a very optimistic outlook.

Yep, even though Rose's 2010 Bulls lost 4-1 to Miami when:

Miami did not have Bird Man, Beasley, Ray Allen, or Oden. But did have Bibby, Joel Anthony getting starting minutes lmfao

And...

Chicago DID have a younger Boozer, and Asik

Now, with the addition of Jimmy God King Butler (JGKB for those of you kids that like acronyms) they will prevail and beat the Heat in a 7 game series.



All hail Jimmy God King Butler

[nathanjizzle]

Yep, even though Rose's 2010 Bulls lost 4-1 to Miami when:

Miami did not have Bird Man, Beasley, Ray Allen, or Oden. But did have Bibby, Joel Anthony getting starting minutes lmfao

And...

Chicago DID have a younger Boozer, and Asik

Now, with the addition of Jimmy God King Butler (JGKB for those of you kids that like acronyms) they will prevail and beat the Heat in a 7 game series.



All hail Jimmy God King Butler

is rose shooting poorly again? thats the only reason the bulls lost that series.

[secund2nun]

is rose shooting poorly again? thats the only reason the bulls lost that series.

Yes he is shooting that poorly again. Rose is a poor shooter. He also shot 37% in the Indy series that year. Also Miami is much better and deeper since then.

In the one playoff game he played the following playoffs he was 9/23 shooting 39% fg against lowly Philly.

Rose shot just 43.5% in the 11-12 regular season and 44.5% fg the season before.

[97 bulls]

Yep, even though Rose's 2010 Bulls lost 4-1 to Miami when:

Miami did not have Bird Man, Beasley, Ray Allen, or Oden. But did have Bibby, Joel Anthony getting starting minutes lmfao

And...

Chicago DID have a younger Boozer, and Asik

Now, with the addition of Jimmy God King Butler (JGKB for those of you kids that like acronyms) they will prevail and beat the Heat in a 7 game series.



All hail Jimmy God King Butler

To be fair, Asik was hurt in 11. And Boozer wasnt a presence. If Butler can do what he did to James this past year this year, in a possible playoff matchup, Then I like the Bulls chances.

[Pointguard]

Just like Rose himself, his return is massively overrated. They have almost no chance to even win the ECF. Miami is heavy favorites with Indy having the 2nd best chance. Rose does not really improve Chicago's chances of beating Miami much at all. His iso ball and his extreme shot jacking low efficiency scoring does not hurt Miami at all. It plays into the hands of Miami defensive scheme. You beat Miami by using team ball movement to generate 3 point shots (2013 Spurs did a really good job at that even though they fell short) or by a dominant post presence that deters the Miami paint scoring and/or takes advantage of Miami's lack of centers to get easy consistent baskets. Rose does not enhanced any of these 2 factors. I would argue that he actually hurts the first factor.

Sorry but Dallas didn't do a good job of either of those things.

Rose....let's see...he is a mediocre defender at a position that can't really impact defense much,

Name me a player that played a healthy Wade better than Rose did in the post season?

he is a ball hog ball stopper who plays iso ball and no team ball, his passing is average for a PG, he really doesn't impact rebounding because he is a average sized PG, and his scoring is average as well.

By average you mean tops at his position?

In 2011 he had 44.5% fg and 25 ppg on 20 shots per game= average....

Name me two super players that scored more in the paint than Rose that year. Name me a better penetrator?

then in 2012 he was even worse 43.5% fg and 22 ppg on 18 shots per game...oh and he is coming off of a major surgery and he is a small athleticism dependent player.

He is not even a superstar, let alone a star. He is merely a good player...that's it.

Miami three superstars. OKC one superstar two in the making. Lakers one superstar, another star, champions. Boston one superstar three stars. SA two superstars, one star experienced team.

Derrick Rose with no other player on first, second or team anything or one player in the top 15 of anything in the production category. And who had the best record in the league despite injuries, new system, new coach?

There is a reason his FG% was 48.9% his 2nd year, 44.5% his 3rd year, and 43.5% fg his 4th year. Of course Rose is better in his 3rd and 4th season than his 2nd season, but his fg keeps going down from his 2nd season because he was given a larger and larger scoring role as each season passed, but he is simply not good enough to handle that large of a load.

His FG% went down because he had better shooters to give him more operating room in the early years. He shot better as the years progressed but he also had more tougher shots which brought his percentage down. Rose also takes a great majority of pressure shots in the later years. Plus the team didn't run a lot of sets to free him up in the last two years. But his floater and range improved every year. Thibes wasn't into spacing much his first year as coach.

He was taking less than 1 three pointer per game in 2010, yet in 2011 he took nearly 5 and 2012 4.4 attempts per game. He is a bad 3 point shooter, he needs to stop taking those 3 point shots. If there is nothing available in the paint for him then he just needs to pass it, not try to be some hero fake superstar by jacking up 3s.

Tell me the offensive scheme of the Bulls? Do you see Rose calling his own number? Who do you think is calling the plays? What superstar player has won more games percentage wise the last years that Rose has played?

[aj1987]

Name me a player that played a healthy Wade better than Rose did in the post season?

Weren't Bogans/Brewer/Korver guarding Wade?

Name me two super players that scored more in the paint than Rose that year. Name me a better penetrator?

Wade and Lebron for both.

Miami three superstars.

Bosh is not a superstar.

The guy you're arguing with (secund2nun) is an idiot. It's best to ignore him.

[Pointguard]

Weren't Bogans/Brewer/Korver guarding Wade?

Not in the majority of the fourth quarters. This is not that long ago...

Wade and Lebron for both.

In what world. Both were getting in each other's way that year. Neither was close to being the same penetrator as Rose was. Lebron got most of his points in the paint on break aways. Wade didn't score more in the paint than Rose that year.

Bosh is not a superstar.

He's the highest paid player on his team. He sacrificed a lot but was a 24 and 11 PF when nobody else was close to that. From the bigs he had the best combo inside and outside game in '10. His game got sacrificed but he was at least a bonafide star if not superstar. And my point is that if Rose is a superstar by comparison to the loaded teams that couldn't win more games than his team which had its second and third best players missing and underperforming that whole year. Miami had more megastar talent than any team, no matter how much you might try to belittle Bosh.

The guy you're arguing with (secund2nun) is an idiot. It's best to ignore him.

Unfamiliar with him.

[MontaEllis24]

he looked ok playing although whenever he drives to the hoop his landing looks a bit awkward maybe its just me.