better finisher around the rim, MJ or Bron?

[WindmiLL]

Lebron is a surprisingly weak finisher in traffic or with contact considering his size. he either is able to throw down a tomahawk or not. no crafty way to finish if there's no open window for a dunk

You don't watch him enough apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYi3FH41TsY

[STATUTORY]

You don't watch him enough apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYi3FH41TsY

wow fast break with one slow white guy in front

any baseline moves?

[sdot_thadon]

I'd say they are pretty close. Mj was masterful at hanging just long enough for the defender to be on their way down, adjust and finish. Dunked on tons of guys, tons doesn't even do it justice lol. Finished baskets with more finesse than almost anyone ever. Had tremendous body control in the air, Lebron does as well but to a lesser extent. Was much more of a beautiful finisher than Lebron.

Lebron on the other hand is one of the more powerful finishers ever, taking all sorts of contact and still amazingly getting attempts up and often converting them. He also finishes with either hand effectively. He doesn't dunk on guys as much, but I'd also chalk it up a bit to era. Mj didn't have as many guys lining up to take charges for the majority of his career.....


That said Lebron is a far less beautiful but just as effective finisher I'd say. I'd love to see some actual percentages for Mj around the basket. You could go either way and I wouldn't disagree much.

[Mass Debator]

Lebron is probably more effective when he does go inside. He picks his moments.

Jordan is more versatile at what he can do at the rim so he is pretty much unstoppable at any given moment.

I don't know the actual stats but this is like a 69% finisher vs a 65% finisher. Bottom line is give me MJ because he can dictate what he wants to do and finish at a high clip.

[mehyaM24]

can go either way - however, i'd take lebron if the game is on the line because of his strength and superior athleticism. you can knock jordan on his ass; the opposite goes for lebron.

[3ball]

how is it that you guys pay no attention to differences in era, and how the paint in today's game has been completely cleared of defenders by 3-point shooting and defensive 3 seconds?

[navy]

Is this a serious question? Like, is this real life? Hell, there's other players I would mention in comparison to MJ in this category and even they don't come close. Hell Kobe is a better finisher at the rim than Lebron.

Ill give you just one example, guys nowadays will walk tight rope along the baseline, go under the basket and come out on the other side because there's no room to get a shot off. MJ would put up a reverse with either hand on either side of the basket, no problem......

Lebron James is the literally one of the best if not the best all time at finishing at the rim. Volume and efficiency. It really isnt even close compared to other perimeter players. And I want someone to prove me otherwise. The only people with comparable rim numbers to Lebron James are Charles Barkley, Shaq, and mabye other centers or big power fowards like Malone.

Kobe Bryant?



LeBron James (2013-14) *Including Playoffs

335/437 FG (76.7%), 4.51 Attempts Per Game



Charles Barkley (84 Game Sample)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=312709

467/574 FG (81.4%), 6.83 Attempts Per Game



Shaquille O'Neal (1999-00) *Transition data unavailable

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart...one-mode=basic

571/763 FG (74.8%), 9.66 Attempts Per Game

[3ball]

[Dro]

Lebron James is the literally one of the best if not the best all time at finishing at the rim. Volume and efficiency. It really isnt even close compared to other perimeter players. And I want someone to prove me otherwise. The only people with comparable rim numbers to Lebron James are Charles Barkley, Shaq, and mabye other centers or big power fowards like Malone.

Kobe Bryant?



LeBron James (2013-14) *Including Playoffs

335/437 FG (76.7%), 4.51 Attempts Per Game



Charles Barkley (84 Game Sample)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=312709

467/574 FG (81.4%), 6.83 Attempts Per Game



Shaquille O'Neal (1999-00) *Transition data unavailable

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart...one-mode=basic

571/763 FG (74.8%), 9.66 Attempts Per Game

Yes, I feel Kobe is a better finisher. Lebron finishes well because of his power and strength. But the ability to finish in traffic in creative ways while 2-3 defenders going for the block? I'm taking Kobe...Lebron goes through people and has a bit of finesse. Kobe is more Jordanesque and can finish up, over, AND around people and he does with either hand also, and IMO better than Lebron. And at this point I expect you to basically disagree with any and every point I make......I have never seen a thread or a topic where you ever agree with me....But anyway, thats' besides the point I guess......

[navy]

Lebron is probably more effective when he does go inside. He picks his moments.

Jordan is more versatile at what he can do at the rim so he is pretty much unstoppable at any given moment.

I don't know the actual stats but this is like a 69% finisher vs a 65% finisher. Bottom line is give me MJ because he can dictate what he wants to do and finish at a high clip.

Lebron is a .726% finisher for his career. I dont have Jordan's numbers.

[navy]

Yes, I feel Kobe is a better finisher. Lebron finishes well because of his power and strength. But the ability to finish in traffic in creative ways while 2-3 defenders going for the block? I'm taking Kobe...Lebron goes through people and has a bit of finesse. Kobe is more Jordanesque and can finish up, over, AND around people and he does with either hand also, and IMO better than Lebron. And at this point I expect you to basically disagree with any and every point I make......I have never seen a thread or a topic where you ever agree with me....But anyway, thats' besides the point I guess......

You are just moving the goal post. Lebron finishes well because of power and strength? Lol so? He finishes more at the rim than Kobe at a much higher percentage. Why do you think they have such a massive difference in field goal percentages?

Who is more likely to get to the rim to score ? Lebron.
Who is more likely to convert when actually at the rim? Lebron.

Kobe?

Wade is a better finisher than Kobe.

Let me get some numbers.

Just as I thought.

From 0-3 feet
Lebron .726
Kobe .635
Wade .660

Lebron > Wade > Kobe

[Trollsmasher]

finishing - dunking

- Jordan stans

[3ball]

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Lets act like the two GIF's below show the same paint environment.

[3ball]

check out the wall of defenders - laimbeer, rodman and salley all in a row

[3ball]

Lebron is a .726% finisher for his career. I dont have Jordan's numbers.

One can only assume they are higher, given how much better Jordan was at overpowering defenders at the rim and how much more aggressive he was going at defenders.



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