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Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
Did not read.
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NBA Legend
Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
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Curry: 0x Finals MVP
Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
In before excuses for Bosh's terrible postseason performance
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sahelanthropus
Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
I'm not down with the W/L analysis or accolade comparisons, but you raise a good point about differences in responsibilities.
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Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
Originally Posted by fpliii
I'm not down with the W/L analysis or accolade comparisons, but you raise a good point about differences in responsibilities.
The W/L shouldn't be looked at exclusively, but it is certainly supporting evidence.
Cleveland definitely started tanking midway through the year, but they did that because they were so bad anyway. Maybe not 19-63 bad, but it was a given without LeBron this team was irrelevant so they looked at the best interests of the franchise. People forget that going into this year Clevelands mindset was to show that they could play without LeBron and they were trying hard. That didn't last long.
Point being, Michaels Bulls were an elite NBA team with or without Michael. The 90s was an era where most teams only had one MVP caliber player, yet the Bulls had two of them(along with the best coach and rebounder in NBA History).
Even the current Heat are more similar to LeBrons Cavs than Michaels Bulls. This team is a long way from the "superteam" that formed in 2010. Wade was awful in these playoffs and Bosh makes 11 PPG 48% shooting centers look like Shaq. LeBron has just as many responsibilities as he did on Cleveland.
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Paid shill
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Curry: 0x Finals MVP
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"Miami Cavaliers" - Reggie Miller
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Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
Didn't read.
Jordan GOAT.
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sahelanthropus
Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
The W/L shouldn't be looked at exclusively, but it is certainly supporting evidence.
Cleveland definitely started tanking midway through the year, but they did that because they were so bad anyway. Maybe not 19-63 bad, but it was a given without LeBron this team was irrelevant so they looked at the best interests of the franchise. People forget that going into this year Clevelands mindset was to show that they could play without LeBron and they were trying hard. That didn't last long.
Point being, Michaels Bulls were an elite NBA team with or without Michael. The 90s was an era where most teams only had one MVP caliber player, yet the Bulls had two of them(along with the best coach and rebounder in NBA History).
Even the current Heat are more similar to LeBrons Cavs than Michaels Bulls. This team is a long way from the "superteam" that formed in 2010. Wade was awful in these playoffs and Bosh makes 11 PPG 48% shooting centers look like Shaq. LeBron has just as many responsibilities as he did on Cleveland.
I followed you until the bolded. I haven't looked at it too closely, but it seems to be a bit much. Bosh is a bitch and was overrated from the start (he was without a doubt never a superstar), but Wade's been hurt the last two years. When Wade was healthy, this team won twenty something games in a row, which is absolutely insane. I think they definitely qualify as a superteam, at least on the same level as the first-threepeat Bulls. The second threepeat team was very likely deeper though.
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GOAT
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The One
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Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
Originally Posted by SilkkTheShocker
"Miami Cavaliers" - Reggie Miller
Which team was more stacked than the Heat with their 3 starting All Stars this past season in your opinion? The Spurs with an old Duncan, injured Parker, and old Manu? The Thunder with Durant and no Westbrook or Harden? The Pacers lol?
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Re: The difference between LeBron and Jordan..straight to the facts and past the Nikecoms
Originally Posted by fpliii
I followed you until the bolded. I haven't looked at it too closely, but it seems to be a bit much. Bosh is a bitch and was overrated from the start (he was without a doubt never a superstar), but Wade's been hurt the last two years. When Wade was healthy, this team won twenty something games in a row, which is absolutely insane. I think they definitely qualify as a superteam, at least on the same level as the first-threepeat Bulls. The second threepeat team was very likely deeper though.
But that is exactly the point. This isn't 2006 Wade, 2009 Wade, or even 2011 Wade. Despite Wades poor play, the Heat have won multiple championships....Because LeBron is playing like the player he has always been able to... One of the 5 greatest players in basketball history.
The only thing super about the Heat is LeBrons play. Their bigmen are probably among the worst of any champion in NBA History. Chris Bosh is a bigger name than Horace Grant, but you'd be a fool to take him over him. Solid interior defense and great rebounding. He played inside...Bosh plays 19 feet from the hoop.
Their 2nd option in the playoffs scored 14 PPG on 49% TS...a 6'3 guard with no range and that couldn't get to the line.... and they still win with these glaring deficiencies.
When you have a player like LeBron, sometimes you can get by regardless. After carrying this team to two rings his legendary dominance should be acknowledged by all NBA fans.
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