Will we ever see another Wilt?

[LAZERUSS]

Kareem averaged 40 points on 50% shooting against prime defensive Wilt as an average in the '72 season...

Of course that was NOT a PRIME defensive Wilt, and certainly not a PRIME Chamberlain.

BTW, a Chamberlain before he shredded his knee, just waxed Kareem in every category.

But even using the above, which covered five game, the two would meet in the 71-72 WCF's, and this "prime" defensive Wilt (who was nowhere near the defensive Wilt of the mid-to-late 60's) reduced KAJ to a shot-jacking brick layer who not only shot .457 in that series, but in the last four pivotal games of that series, only shot .414 combined. In fact, KAJ failed to shoot anywhere near 50% in those FOUR straight games....which is interesting, since a 37-41 year old Kareem only failed to shoot 50% in THREE of his CAREER 23 h2h's with your boy Hakeem.

BTW, in Wilt's LAST season, covering six h2h games, he held Kareem to .450 shooting (while shooting .737 himself...which included a game in which he outscored KAJ, 24-21, and outshot KAJ, 10-14 to 10-27.) So, in their last TEN STRAIGHT H2H's, an old Chamberlain held a PRIME Kareem to a combined .434 shooting (this from a career .559 shooter, who, BTW, shot a career .607 against Hakeem in their 23 h2h's.)

Kind of puts a different perspective on just how dominant an OLD Wilt was, too, doesn't it?

[millwad]

Of course that was NOT a PRIME defensive Wilt, and certainly not a PRIME Chamberlain.

Easily a prime defensive Wilt. You're the only one who likes to claim otherwise because of the massive beating.

BTW, a Chamberlain before he shredded his knee, just waxed Kareem in every category.

Stop writing out of you ass, all these excuses about Wilt's injuries are laughable. The guy played 42+ minutes in all of his pro seasons and someone who's busted up can't do so.

But even using the above, which covered five game, the two would meet in the 71-72 WCF's, and this "prime" defensive Wilt (who was nowhere near the defensive Wilt of the mid-to-late 60's) reduced KAJ to a shot-jacking brick layer who not only shot .457 in that series, but in the last four pivotal games of that series, only shot .414 combined. In fact, KAJ failed to shoot anywhere near 50% in those FOUR straight games....which is interesting, since a 37-41 year old Kareem only failed to shoot 50% in THREE of his CAREER 23 h2h's with your boy Hakeem.

Haha, that's laughable.
You forgot to mention that he absolutely slaughtered Wilt in that series. Kareem outscored Wilt with 23 points per game in that series, he outassisted him and the difference in rebounds was a small one. Kareem also shot the ball with a higher FG% so using FG% is like punching yourself in your face because Wilt shot with worse FG%, FT% and he averaged 23 points less... per game.

BTW, in Wilt's LAST season, covering six h2h games, he held Kareem to .450 shooting (while shooting .737 himself...which included a game in which he outscored KAJ, 24-21, and outshot KAJ, 10-14 to 10-27.) So, in their last TEN STRAIGHT H2H's, an old Chamberlain held a PRIME Kareem to a combined .434 shooting (this from a career .559 shooter, who, BTW, shot a career .607 against Hakeem in their 23 h2h's.)

Kind of puts a different perspective on just how dominant an OLD Wilt was, too, doesn't it?

I love how you cherry pick.

Kareem scored 37 points on Wilt twice during that season and how you just jump from one season 'til another just so it won't look bad..

[PHILA]

Kareem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKkQyNyXICQ

In the one game video we have of them playing, KAJ had an excellent game just looking at the final shooting statistics, 18/34 FG (53%). But he also had a lot of opportunistic baskets where the ball inadvertently popped into his hands. In that game above he only shot 40% (8/20 FG) against Wilt in the low post half court sets.

[LAZERUSS]

Easily a prime defensive Wilt. You're the only one who likes to claim otherwise because of the massive beating.



Stop writing out of you ass, all these excuses about Wilt's injuries are laughable. The guy played 42+ minutes in all of his pro seasons and someone who's busted up can't do so.



Haha, that's laughable.
You forgot to mention that he absolutely slaughtered Wilt in that series. Kareem outscored Wilt with 23 points per game in that series, he outassisted him and the difference in rebounds was a small one. Kareem also shot the ball with a higher FG% so using FG% is like punching yourself in your face because Wilt shot with worse FG%, FT% and he averaged 23 points less... per game.





I love how you cherry pick.

Kareem scored 37 points on Wilt twice during that season and how you just jump from one season 'til another just so it won't look bad..

Cherry-picking, huh?

I mentioned that a PRIME Chamberlain just annihilated many of the SAME centers that a PRIME Kareem would face just a few years later, and to MUCH greater extent. And what do you bring up? An OLD Wilt, on a SURGICALLY-REPAIRED knee, who absolutely reduced a Kareem, at his PEAK, to WAY below his career normal shooting.

Of course, you didn't bring up their one h2h, which was still not even a PRIME Chamberlain, in which Wilt easily outscored, outrebounded, out-assisted, outblocked, and heavily outshot KAJ. Why?

Nor the fact that Wilt, only a year removed from major knee surgery, faced KAJ, in arguably his greatest season (70-71), TEN times, and nearly matched KAJ in scoring, easily outrebounded him, and outshot KAJ from the floor by a solid margin. Once again...not even close to a PRIME Chamberlain.

Or that Wilt, in his LAST TEN H2H games with KAJ, held Kareem to an overall FG% of .434, which included EIGHT games of under 50%, and FOUR of under 40%!!!!!!

As for a defensive prime Wilt, take a look at this...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_season.html

Hmmm...a mid-60's Wilt was miles ahead of a Chamberlain in his second-to-last NBA season.

Granted, a 71-72 Chamberlain would still have won DPOY had the award existed. And granted, a 71-72 Chamberlain did block a now confirmed 5.42 bpg, at age 35, which is only slightly behind the "official" record held by Mark Eaton at 5.56 bpg...

But a mid-60's Chamberlain just completely shut down his peers, and was blocking 8+ shots per game (and educated guesses have him as high as 10+.) In fact, SI recorded every one of Wilt's 23 blocks in a nationally televised on Christmas day in 1968...which, of course, just blows away the "official" record of 17 held by Elmore Smith. And that game was probably not Wilt's high, either. There are estimated games of 30+.


And, just taking Wilt out of all of this...

what does this tell you about the players of Wilt's era, like Lanier, Gilmore, Hayes, and McAdoo? All of whom had MANY games in which they outplayed a PRIME KAJ. And yet we KNOW that an OLD Chamberlain was outplaying those guys, as well.

Or that KAJ played against Reed, Thurmond, Imhoff, Dierking, Fox, and Bellamy...and was nowhere near as dominant against them. (In fact, the reality was, Thurmond was, by far, the most suffocating center KAJ ever faced...and even a PRIME Chamberlain was just abusing a prime Nate.)

And KAJ never had the "luxury" of battling Russell, either. A Russell whom Chamberlain averaged a near 30-30 game against in his 143 career h2h's. And a PRIME Chamberlain who pounded Russell with FIVE games of 50+ (including one in a "must-win" playoff game), with a high game of 62 (on 27-45 shooting.) Or a PRIME Wilt who had 24 career games of 40+ against Russell, including 17 40-30 games.

Throw in Moses, who just manhandled a near-prime KAJ in the vast majority of their 40 career h2h's, and you can make a strong argument that the best centers in NBA history all played in the 60's, 70's, and early 80's.


And clearly, the best of them all, was a PRIME Chamberlain.

[sdot_thadon]

No, there won't ever be another Wilt. Too ahead of his time, too much of an athletic freak in an era unprepared for him. These days of political correctness would never allow so much ego to exist on the floor either. Any potential next Wilt would be murdered by this era's media and be painted as a headcase lol.

[LAZERUSS]

The world awaits another Wilt...

http://everything-pr.com/the-world-a...c-hero/241398/

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain holds some 90 "official" NBA records, but the fact is, he probably holds HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS, of them. If you use "streaks" as an example, he probably has some 700+ games in a row of scoring records. And likely the same, if not more, in rebounding.

And while the uneducated here trash Chamberlain's post-season career, he played in 29 post-season series, and was probably the best center in nearly all of them, and arguably the best player on the floor in 25+. Not only that, but he was not only outplaying his opposing centers in the vast majority of those 29 series, he was downright slaughtering them in many of them.

And the "declining" Chamberlain averaged 32.8 ppg, 26.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, shot .515 from the field (in post-seasons that shot about .428, on average), as well as probably 8+ bpg...in his first six post-seasons (covering his first seven seasons)...COMBINED. This, coming in 52 games in his "scoring" prime, 30 of which were against Russell. And in those 52 games, he was outscored in TWO. Even into half of his playoff career, covering 80 games, he had outscored his opposing starting center in 73 of them.

Of course, in terms of rebounding, he was light years ahead of his peers. He was never outrebounded in ANY of his 29 post-season series, which included eight against Russell. And here again, he was just wiping the floor with his opposing centers in many of them.

And very few give him credit for his one-on-one, and team defense in the post-season either. He was routinely holding his opposing centers to somewhere around a 10% reduction in their FG%'s, which included Kareem and Bellamy. In fact, in his 29 post-season series, he allowed his opposing center to shoot 50%, TWICE. One of them was Zelmo Beaty in the '64 WDF's, in which Beaty averaged 14.3 ppg on .521 shooting (while Wilt averaged 38.6 ppg on .559 shooting against him), and the other was long-range shooting Jerry Lucas in the '72 Finals...when Lucas shot an even .500. However, after Lucas went 9-11 in the first half of game one in that series, he shot 37-81 the rest of the way (.457), in a series in which Chamberlain averaged 19.4 ppg, 23.2 rpg, and shot .600.

Players like Reed, Bellamy, and Kareem...none of them could sniff shooting .500 in a series against Wilt. And Wilt completely shut down players like Russell, Thurmond, and Kerr in their h2h's.

[millwad]

Jlauber, I'm amazed of the fact that you've been posting on boards for years but still you can't give a normal reply.

Everytime you're in a discussion you go all nuts and spam and hi-jack and essay up the threads with bogus.

Someone is probably deep inside your wife, Barbara, meanwhile you're essaying up ISH.

[Greg Oden 50]

No. Don't be ridiculous.

We've already seen another Wilt in terms of utter dominance, though. His name was Shaquille O'Neal.

wilt >>>>>>>>> shaq

[Greg Oden 50]

The way I see Wilt is that he was just steps ahead of everybody in his Era. With the way how Athletic everyone is now, I really doubt he'll average the same numbers as he did back then. PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO LET GO. Face it, the game has evolved & there's a reason for it.

Shaq Or Hakeem.

shaq is not even better than jabbar

[Greg Oden 50]

Lebron is better than Wilt Chambarlain in every facet of the game other than rebounding.
In his prime Wilt would be competing with KLOVE for rebounding title in this era but other than that he would be quite irrelevant

wilt is much more athletic than lebron ever dreamed

[Greg Oden 50]

Easily a prime defensive Wilt. You're the only one who likes to claim otherwise because of the massive beating.



Stop writing out of you ass, all these excuses about Wilt's injuries are laughable. The guy played 42+ minutes in all of his pro seasons and someone who's busted up can't do so.



Haha, that's laughable.
You forgot to mention that he absolutely slaughtered Wilt in that series. Kareem outscored Wilt with 23 points per game in that series, he outassisted him and the difference in rebounds was a small one. Kareem also shot the ball with a higher FG% so using FG% is like punching yourself in your face because Wilt shot with worse FG%, FT% and he averaged 23 points less... per game.





I love how you cherry pick.

Kareem scored 37 points on Wilt twice during that season and how you just jump from one season 'til another just so it won't look bad..

how old is wilt,how old is kareem

[cos88]

wilt is much more athletic than lebron ever dreamed

you posted in 3 threads on the first page, all posts about lebron on kobe vs jordan and wilt threads. also 8 or less words all of them. get a life you retard.

[Greg Oden 50]

you posted in 3 threads on the first page, all posts about lebron on kobe vs jordan and wilt threads. also 8 or less words all of them. get a life you retard.

u mad