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Wilt Davis
Ranking by Tiers
Instead of arguing over exactly who should be ranked in what position, we can go by what grouping players belong to.
Tier 1
MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Russell
This is your Mount Rushmore. Those are your all-time legends. They had the biggest impacts on the game. There is really no debate here, despite the occasional hater.
Tier 2
Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Kobe
These guys are next. Magic is the bridge between the two tiers, with Lebron still having a chance to join Tier 1 by the time his career is done.
Tier 3
Hakeem, Moses, Oscar, Dr. J, West, Mikan
These are the almost top 10 guys, who were top 10 before Duncan, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq crowded them out. Hakeem is the bridge here, often being ranked in the top 10.
Tier 4
Pettit, Garnett, K. Malone, Barkley, Baylor, Hondo, Wade, Barry
Those kind of players would make up 4, with a lot of argument over who should be another tier down and who belongs in 4. Some might mention other players such as Isaiah, Cousy or Pippen.
Last edited by Marchesk; 02-05-2016 at 03:54 PM.
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
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Wilt Davis
Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by dubeta
Rank them by PER
David Robinson and Chris Paul are top 10
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by Marchesk
David Robinson and Chris Paul are top 10
* PER with at least 1 MVP and 1 FMVP
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Wilt Davis
Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by dubeta
* PER with at least 1 MVP and 1 FMVP
Trying to keep Curry out?
I don't disrespect Lebron in rankings. He is in that second tier, with the possibility of joining Mount Rushmore when all is said and done, depending on how he finishes out. You disagree?
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
I generally disagree with your tiers... but even going by your own reasoning, Oscar needs to be in the second tier. KG should be third.
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
Lebron is in tier 5 with sidekicks like Pippen and failed #1 options like Mcgrady.
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
Edit -- My tiers, and how I rank players, is no simple equation, nor one that I can spell out. But I just want to note that I do NOT heavily weigh TEAM (see: titles) accomplishments. I do consider them, but not too strongly. I'm ranking players, after all. Not players + circumstances.
My own tiers...
1:
MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Russell
Bird
Oscar
Magic
2:
Duncan
Lebron
Kobe
KG
Moses
Hakeem (edit)
3:
Doc
Karl
Barkley
West
Baylor
4:
Dirk
Wade
Isiah
Frazier (edit)
D. Robinson (edit)
... I lose steam there because I never really thought much beyond Tier 3.
Also, unranked players are Pettit, Johnston, Cousy, Mikan and similar-era greats. Too difficult to judge. Cousy and Mikan belong in the first tier by accomplishments, but it's too difficult to truly say, as the game has changed so dramatically.
Last edited by kshutts1; 02-05-2016 at 05:30 PM.
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The Beast In Me
Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by kshutts1
My own tiers...
1:
MJ
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Russell
Bird
Oscar
Magic
2:
Duncan
Lebron
Kobe
KG
Moses
3:
Doc
Karl
Barkley
West
Baylor
4:
Dirk
Wade
Isiah
Frazier (edit)
... I lose steam there because I never really thought much beyond Tier 3.
Also, unranked players are Pettit, Johnston, Cousy, Mikan and similar-era greats. Too difficult to judge. Cousy and Mikan belong in the first tier by accomplishments, but it's too difficult to truly say, as the game has changed so dramatically.
No Hakeem + Oscar really isn't a tier 1 player, tbh.
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by T_L_P
No Hakeem + Oscar really isn't a tier 1 player, tbh.
I forgot Hakeem, and David Robinson.
And Oscar is a tier 1 player to me. Other people have their own opinions, obviously. That's what makes discussions so fun.
But show me another player that can, and did, do what he did? And another player that was voted player of the CENTURY over such players as Russell, Kareem, Wilt, and MJ, to name a few?
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Embiid > Jokic
Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by kshutts1
I forgot Hakeem, and David Robinson.
And Oscar is a tier 1 player to me. Other people have their own opinions, obviously. That's what makes discussions so fun.
But show me another player that can, and did, do what he did? And another player that was voted player of the CENTURY over such players as Russell, Kareem, Wilt, and MJ, to name a few?
How about the likes of Hondo, Pippen, Barry, Stockton?
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Local High School Star
Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by Marchesk
Instead of arguing over exactly who should be ranked in what position, we can go by what grouping players belong to.
Tier 1
MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Russell
This is your Mount Rushmore. Those are your all-time legends. They had the biggest impacts on the game. There is really no debate here, despite the occasional hater.
Tier 2
Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Kobe
These guys are next. Magic is the bridge between the two tiers, with Lebron still having a chance to join Tier 1 by the time his career is done.
Tier 3
Hakeem, Moses, Oscar, Dr. J, West, Mikan
These are the almost top 10 guys, who were top 10 before Duncan, Kobe, Lebron, Shaq crowded them out. Hakeem is the bridge here, often being ranked in the top 10.
Tier 4
Pettit, Garnett, K. Malone, Barkley, Baylor, Hondo, Wade, Barry
Those kind of players would make up 4, with a lot of argument over who should be another tier down and who belongs in 4. Some might mention other players such as Isaiah, Cousy or Pippen.
Big bran fan here but bran is not tier 2 until he wins another ring.
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
How about the likes of Hondo, Pippen, Barry, Stockton?
Hondo and Barry ahead of Pippen and Stockton, for sure. But they've yet to come. And, as I stated in my post, there are some omissions and holes, mostly because I've never gone further than a third tier, and I did it quickly.
If we want an all-inclusive tier list, I'd be happy to create one... it would just take a lot of time.
I'd also be happy to be a part of a select group of ISHers ranking their own top 100, at which point we'd pool, and average out, the results. But again, they take time.
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Dirk top 15 all time
Re: Ranking by Tiers
yea right, barkley and co are a tier above dirk.
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Re: Ranking by Tiers
Originally Posted by LBJFTW
Big bran fan here but bran is not tier 2 until he wins another ring.
Deleted because that was not in reference to me. My apologies.
Last edited by kshutts1; 02-05-2016 at 05:29 PM.
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