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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
Dwight Howard is one of the 40-50 greatest players ever..
you really think so ?
he was sure awesome before that back injury wasn't he? the real deal.
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by Sarcastic
Amare Stoudemire made 1st team All NBA in 06-07 with 20.4/9.6 and awful defense.
Let that sink in for a second.
Amare was a BEAST back then. James harden is getting all nba teams and MVPs these days ... all this trolling in this thread and this shit sticks out like a white college girl at a black party.
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by La Frescobaldi
you really think so ?
he was sure awesome before that back injury wasn't he? the real deal.
4 sweeps of DPOY and getting to the finals as the clear cut main man while being top 5 in MVP for 5 straight years. If not for peak physical lebron dwight would've realistically gotten 1-2 MVPs ... how can he NOT be top 50?
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by 3ball
I played D1 ball against many NBA players, whereas you've never played.
Prove it.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by 24-Inch_Chrome
Prove it.
I've posted pictures of me playing college ball on ish before, but what difference does it make?
You can just say "that isn't you"
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by swagga
how can he NOT be top 50?
because he isn't a top 10 center all-time:
Walton
Ewing
Mikan
Robinson
M Malone
Olajuwon
Shaq
Russell
Kareem
Wilt
and more
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
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[COLOR="Red"]Previous eras had better bigs, and their wings were also superior:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR]2000-2014[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR]1984-1998
Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd
Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe, Mark Aguirre, Jamaal Mashburn
Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis
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Last edited by 3ball; 12-18-2015 at 07:22 PM.
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by 3ball
because he isn't a top 10 center all-time:
Walton
Ewing
Mikan
Robinson
M Malone
Olajuwon
Shaq
Russell
Kareem
Wilt
and more
son, if you want to troll at least do it properly. Mikan Walton had 1 year and then he was a sad trainwreck. Not to say that not being in the 10 centers logically implies him not being a top 50 player.
Step your game up hoe.
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by 3ball
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[COLOR="Red"]Previous eras had better bigs, and their wings were also superior:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 2000-2014[COLOR="White"].................[/COLOR] 1984-1998
Kobe Bryant.............. Michael Jordan
LeBron James............ Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant............. Larry Bird
Dwayne Wade........... Clyde Drexler
Russell Westbrook..... Gary Payton
Tracey McGrady........ Dominique Wilkins
James Harden........... Grant Hill
Kawhi Leonard.......... Scottie Pippen
Paul Pierce............... Adrian Dantley
Carmelo Anthony....... Alex English
Vince Carter............. James Worthy
Allen Iverson............ Penny Hardaway
Jason Kidd................ Jason Kidd
Honorable Mention 1984-1998: Doctor J, Dennis Rodman, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Miller, Sidney Moncrief, Joe Dumars, Eddie Jones, Mitch Richmond, Alvin Robertson, Detlef Schrempf, Dennis Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Ronaldo Blackman, Fat Lever, Glen Rice, Chris Mullin, Kiki Vandeweghe, Mark Aguirre, Jamaal Mashburn
Honorable Mention 2000-2014: Ron Artest, Shawn Marion, Andre Igouodala, Ray Allen, Paul George, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Joe Johnson, Rip Hamilton, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Draymond Green, Peja Stojakovic, Antawn Jamison, Luol Deng, Rashard Lewis
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]So how could anyone say previous eras were weak when their bigs and wings were superior?
The reality is that TODAY'S era lacks quality compared to previous eras, and today's rules make the game easier for the players than ever before (hand-check ban, defensive 3 seconds).[/COLOR]
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
This agenda thread is hilarious:
League Leaders 1996-97:
Scoring
MJ 29.6
Malone 27.4
Rice 26.8 - 48/47/87 (prime Curry shooting)
Shaq - 26.2
Richmond - 25.9 45/43/87
Spreewell - 24.2
Iverson - 23.5
Hakeem - 23.2
Ewing - 22.4
Ellis - 21.9 (without injured D.Rob)
Gill - 21.8
Payton - 21.8
Miller - 21.6
Grant Hill - 21.4
and on and on.
Assist leaders
Marc Jackson - 11.4
Stockton - 10.5 (scoring 14 ppg on 55/43/86 - a guard shooting 55%)
KJ - 9.3
Kidd - 9
Strickland - 9
Mighty Mouse - 8.8
Hardaway - 8.6
Van Excel - 8.5
Pack - 8.4 (one of best small dunkers ever)
Marbury - 7.8
Iverson - 7.5 (he had to play point guard until rules changed)
Grant Hill - 7.3 (to go with 21.5 ppg and 9 rpg, Lebron wishes he could rebound like that and Hill was shorter and weighed less)
Blocks
Shawn Bradley - 3.4
Mutombo - 3.3
Shaq - 2.9
Mourning - 2.9
Erwing Johnson - 2.8
Ewing - 2.4
Divac - 2.2
Hakeem - 2.2
Garnett - 2.1
Notice all the two way big men players. Prime Dwight is basically prime Mourning.
Steals
Mookie Blaylock - 2.7
Doug Christie - 2.5 (the great Kings defender)
Payton - 2.4
Eddie Jones - 2.4 (while scoring 20+ ppg)
Rick Fox - 2.2 (while being Shaqs role player along with Eddie Jones who got SWEPT by Jazz)
Wesley - 2.1
Iverson - 2.1
Stockton - 2.0 (while 10 apg)
3pt FG%
Glen Rice - 47% (yep that is that 'bum' Glen Rice scoring 26ppg on 47% 3pt, better stats than James Harden the co-mvp and Rice was not close to MVP that year)
Kerr - 47%
KJ - 44% (while scoring 20+ and dishing 9+ assists and dunking the ball)
Weak competition?
Not in any way. This was a time when league leaders were not specialists like Kyle Korver or Ibaka, but two way players. The league leaders were complete players.
This was the last year with the rookie class of 84-86 still being in tail end of their prime. After that the league dropped off massively as witnessed by the poor play and poor scoring of the next generation until rules changed.
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by swagga
4 sweeps of DPOY and getting to the finals as the clear cut main man while being top 5 in MVP for 5 straight years. If not for peak physical lebron dwight would've realistically gotten 1-2 MVPs ... how can he NOT be top 50?
i don't know man there have been so many great players over the years and decades my head starts to swim thinking about them all lol!!
he was incredible over on the Magic that's all I know
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Re: Just how weak were the late 90's?
Originally Posted by La Frescobaldi
i don't know man there have been so many great players over the years and decades my head starts to swim thinking about them all lol!!
he was incredible over on the Magic that's all I know
his defensive impact is really clear when you enumerate the other relevant players on the team:
jameer nelson
hedo turkoglu
rashard lewis
even with pietrus/lee/gortat as defensive role players that team had a lot of huge holes on defense : perimeter, post, pnr, you name it, they were exposed. Howard just erased all these mistakes. imo what he did back then is really underrated today.
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