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Old 05-01-2019, 10:56 AM   #31
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http://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-q...osition-tools/

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You can tinker with the cap tool, but the quick answer (assuming they keep everybody not mentioned above) is that they’d have roughly $22M if they traded Korver, $19M if they kept his cap hit all on this year’s salary sheet, or $21M if they stretch his remaining guaranteed salary over three seasons.

that's best case scenario because it sounds like Favors isn't going anywhere unfortunately

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Everything I’ve heard is that the Jazz sound confident. As in, the type of confidence that you really only have when you know that there are some people out there impressed with what you’re building. As JStuart’s jokey question above suggests, I don’t think they’ll sign an existing All-NBA stud like KD or Kawhi, but they seem to think they’ll get a meeting with some borderline All-Star caliber guys.

Confident that they can bring Favors and Rubio back oh boy!

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As far as trade deadline buzz, from what I gather, the Otto Porter interest was real, but Washington just had different objectives. The Mike Conley talks were obviously real, but that was built around expirings, which can’t be used in summer trades, so that one would be tough to revisit. I know the Jazz have been interested in Tobias Harris, but there’s a little bit of a concern in that guys as good as him don’t usually see five teams in their first seven years.

Conley will be more expensive is the problem there. They could use cap space/trade exception to get him still

All this just tells me they should have gotten Conley when they had the chance and they will end up with mostly the same team Houston dismantled two straight years
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:07 AM   #32
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The league and players did agree to create a new exception called the “Room MLE” for teams that give up their full MLE to go under the cap but then spend all of their cap space. But it’s tiny compared to the MLE, and likely not enough to meet Rubio’s salary demands. The Room MLE will be about $4.7M this summer, whereas the non-taxpayer MLE will be $9.2M.

who cares what Ricky demands. He has to take what he can get. Anyone paying him starter money is as stupid as the Jazz

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We’ve talked a bit about Rubio and Favors — it’s probably one or the other, to be honest. Utah can’t add an impact player without letting one or both of those guys go, so it probably comes down to the positional profile of any players they’re able to acquire. If they can swing a deal with free agent, Tobias Harris, for example, then they may keep Rubio but let Favors walk. If they acquire someone like Kyle Lowry (who some believe will be available if Toronto underwhelms and Kawhi Leonard walks), then Rubio is redundant but they could keep Favors. In a vacuum, it’s more likely that Favors stays, just because of the way his contract is set up and the fact that the Jazz can unilaterally control that decision.

if it's one or the other Favors sounds more likely but don't count out the Jazz on bringing both back!

Lowry is redundant with Rubio yet they were supposedly getting him after trading for Rubio?

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The Jazz will surely remove Udoh’s and Sefolosha’s free agent rights, meaning the only way I really can see them sticking around is if they’re willing to re-sign at the minimum. Which isn’t crazy, given where they’re at in their careers.

Thabo would be stupid to come back. Udoh only if Favors leaves

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O’Neale and Niang will be back, for sure. Royce is a high-level rotation player who will make $1.6M next season. That’s a total no-brainer, because you’re not replacing his skills or impact for anything close to that low. Niang isn’t quite as good, but is just as cheap, and Utah really believes he can become a Joe Ingles Lite type of player: a big forward with shooting and playmaking skills. Neto’s $2.15M non-guaranteed salary makes him a candidate for a cap-motivated cut if they’re close to meeting some free agent’s asking price, but I’m sure they’d rather keep him. He’s close to Rudy Gobert, and he is a solid third point guard who has acquitted himself well when circumstances have demanded that he play a rotation role for stretches.

I think Niang can be better than Ingles at least offensively. Why would they want Neto other than to keep Rudy happy? Why would he want to be here? The fact that he's better than Ricky and Exum aside

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I’m just still not sure we’ve seen evidence that Bradley is an NBA dude just yet. He played just 36 minutes this season, all in garbage time. If he were remotely close to being someone on whom Quin Snyder would rely for actual meaningful minutes, I think we would have seen him for more than 36 minutes. There were times when the Jazz kept a two-way player active over Bradley despite being shorthanded up front. The signs just don’t point to him being anything more than a deep bench piece in the short term.

The fact that he was 4th string had more to do with it than anything. Him and Udoh or another vet ought to be fighting it out for the 15 minutes or so behind Rudy. Favors needs to go
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:20 AM   #33
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https://thejnotes.com/2019/05/01/uta...-agent-target/

Max seems like a lot for Tobias but he certainly makes more sense than Kemba. Conley made the most sense though

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But Tobias brings a ton to the table as well. It’s long been known that Quin Snyder’s offense operates at its finest when a stretch-four is figured into the equation. That’s why lineups with Jae Crowder at the power forward spot alongside the rest of the starters have been so prolific in terms of net rating. And that’s with Crowder who’s far from a consistent sharp-shooter.

We've known it since Favors was benched in favor of Joe Johnson and Diaw on their last legs yet they went back to Favors and doubled down with the stupid in trading for Ricky and tripled it with Dante's latest deal
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:24 AM   #34
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Utah Jazz: Poor first-round draw spoiled what could have been fun postseason

poor decisions by the front office and coach spoiled what could have been a great run by Rudy the past 4 plus years.

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Now the Jazz are forced to look towards the offseason where it’s clear that significant upgrades will have to take place if they are to return to their successful and enjoyable postseason ways. And ideally, make it further than even the second round which has been their ceiling for 19 of the past 20 seasons.

was clear a year ago and even more clear at the trade deadline yet here we are wishing they'd lost in the 2nd or 3rd round instead of the first
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:30 AM   #35
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One thing that was a concern when it comes to Conley, other than the fact that he appears to be in somewhat of a declining trajectory at this point in his career, is that his contract is tough to add and could make things difficult for the Jazz moving forward.

Was actually perfect. Expires the same time as Rudy's and same time as Mitchell's rookie deal. Would have had to fill the 4 position with Thabo, Jae and Niang. Might have gotten a higher seed and still playing now. Certainly be looking a lot better going into next year
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Old 05-01-2019, 11:32 AM   #36
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Utah lost a game (3) in which James Harden shot 3-20. That’s not good. The Rocket’s role players have thoroughly outplayed their Jazz counterparts, and the Jazz clearly doesn’t have a quality second option behind Donovan Mitchell. With their racist fans turning away free agents and most of their rotation players in their late 20’s, it doesn’t appear they have much internal growing left. This might be their ceiling.

it's only their ceiling if the front office and coach let it be
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Old 05-01-2019, 02:17 PM   #37
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Eric Woodyard: Ricky Rubio isn’t planning to take much time off this off-season with it being such a big summer for him entering free agency. A Deseret News source has said he will start working out as early as May 13th back in Spain. – via Twitter E_Woodyard

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Old 05-01-2019, 02:18 PM   #38
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Nearly three weeks after dismissing head coach J.B. Bickerstaff, the Grizzlies have officially begun the process of finding his replacement. And the first candidate known the Grizzlies have brought in could provide a clue as to what the team is looking for in its next head coach. Jazz assistant coach Alex Jensen interviewed for the Memphis Grizzlies job on Tuesday, according to league sources and The Athletic’s Tony Jones. Regardless of the direction the Grizzlies decide to commit toward next season, Jensen appears to be a capable fit. Jensen is also interviewing for the Cleveland Cavaliers’ opening, league sources told The Athletic. – via The Athletic

Jensen, who has been with the Jazz since 2013, is regarded as a tactician who played a major role in developing star center Rudy Gobert. The Jazz won 25 games during his first season. Five seasons later, Utah is coming off three consecutive 48-plus win seasons and playoff berths. If hired by the Grizzlies, one of Jensen’s primary tasks will be developing big man Jaren Jackson Jr., who is entering his second season and is viewed by many within the organization as a franchise centerpiece. – via The Athletic
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:44 PM   #39
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Wednesday was his sixth NBA workout, his third this spring (he previously auditioned for the Houston Rockets and Boston Celtics). Chris Clemons has workouts scheduled with the Utah Jazz and Minnesota Timberwolves as he awaits whether that combine invitation will come. – via Charlotte Observer
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Agent Zero: There’s young players trying to live the dream u did and every year U play… that’s 1 player getting cut from his dream Gilbert Arenas did not appreciate too much Vince Carter’s decision to return for his 22nd NBA season. Agent Zero said that with that decision, Vince Carter is not allowing a young player to live his dream. – via Sportando

that's the kind of thinking that needs to change. The NBA should be for the best vets in the world and he's probably still one of them. The Gleague and other leagues around the world are for the rest until they prove otherwise
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:22 AM   #41
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https://www.ksl.com/article/46543338...ason-with-jazz

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Allen’s end-of-season numbers were good — and in some cases, really good. He set new career-highs in three of his last five games, including a 40-point performance in the Jazz’s regular-season finale to become one of just 14 players since 2000 to score at least 40 in a game in their first season.

anyone that watched so shadows of Hood's 1 on 5 play though. The fact that he went to Duke makes that especially scary on a Snyder coached team
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https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...my-career.html

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“From a basketball standpoint, obviously I want to continue to work on my body and become the Greek god that I know I can be,” Niang said jokingly during exit interviews.

I think his body is where he can improve the most. Highly skilled
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https://*********.com/2019/04/25/uta...s-free-agency/

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In fact, many of the advanced metrics say the talented young guard actually regressed in 2018-19. That may be a bit harsh considering he started the season off playing through a debilitating toe injury, plus the fact that Mitchell actually improved his point-per-game average to 23.8 per night and upped his three-point shooting to a respectable 36.2 percent. Still, the expectation was that Mitchell would better his decision-making and shot selection enough this year to receive All-Star consideration as a sophomore, and that simply didn’t happen.

From January on he played his best ball yet. Until they put a team that fits around him and Rudy we can't really judge them

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At the team’s end-of-year press conference, general manager Dennis Lindsey said that he considers Utah a very good team, but not quite a great one. He also went on to discuss how he hopes to have Favors, who he believes is part of the solution and not a problem on the roster, back next season. Using that information and some deductive reasoning, it seems that this summer the Jazz’s top goal will be to find an upgrade at the lead-guard spot for the potentially departing Rubio.

A sniper sounds like their primary goal and who cares if Favors, Rubio and Exum are still around

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In Favors’ case, at this point in his career, he may be best-suited to play center full time, so Utah would be wise to look for a floor-spacing power forward to start games next to Gobert, and bring Favors back as the backup center, but maybe on a cheaper deal with more years on it.

too bad he's already signed

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Then there’s the issue of Dante Exum, who suffered yet another season-ending injury and still has two years and $23.9 million left on his contract. Exum wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire before going down, either, averaging just 6.9 points and 2.6 assists per game and shooting 41.9 percent from the floor. Could Utah finally throw in the towel and view Exum as a dump candidate, which would give them even more cap flexibility this offseason?

dump him a year after paying him? Don't see it. Lindsey will give him another contract before that happens. He's going to prove everyone wrong if it kills us

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Goran Dragic: He has a player option for next season, but if he opts out of his deal with the Miami Heat, he’d make sense for the Jazz, as he’s a better shooter than Rubio and would form a nasty backcourt with Mitchell.

D?

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Darren Collison: He wouldn’t be a star upgrade, but he’s a much better spot-up shooter than Rubio, so his fit within Utah’s offense could be better than the Spaniard’s was.

Him I can see

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Nikola Mirotic: If the Jazz look for a floor-spacing power forward to replace Favors in the starting unit, Mirotic could be their best option when you consider price and need. He can defend on perimeter-oriented bigs and knock down threes with aplomb.

bad defender

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Thaddeus Young: He doesn’t space the floor from three, but Young is an excellent defender and has much better mobility than Favors.

35%. Makes more sense than what they have

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Marcus Morris: A tough-nosed defender and a floor-spacer from the 4-spot, Morris would make sense for the Jazz, too.

Jazz DNA? Not seeing it

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Wayne Ellington: If Utah moves on from Korver, or if he decides to retire, they’re going to need a backup who can shoot, and Ellington fits the bill.

Reggie Bullock: Ditto, Bullock.


sniper. D?

Beverley?

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Kevin Love: If the Jazz want to shoot for the stars and if the Cleveland Cavaliers decide to blow things up, a Love trade could make sense for both parties. Love would give Utah another star to place alongside Mitchell, he would help take over some of the scoring load and he would space the floor next to Gobert quite well.

that contract?

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Mike Conley: This trade has already been discussed, and seeing both parties take up talks again this offseason wouldn’t be remotely surprising.

even more expensive. Can't see it. They blew it. The new GM isn't taking Exum

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Jrue Holiday: Another excellent point-guard option if the Jazz want to hit the trade market for Rubio’s replacement.

Be even more expensive than Conley and not as good of a fit. You think they want Exum?
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https://www.slcdunk.com/2019/5/1/185...e-agency-trade

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When Joe Ingles signed his four year, $52 million contract to return to the Utah Jazz back in 2017, most saw it as more of a nod to Gordon Hayward than in Joe Ingles monetary value to the Utah Jazz. Gordon Hayward and Joe Ingles shared an agent—Mark Bartelstein—and this was seen as a “You scratch our back and we’ll scratch yours” type of deal. Prior to the deal, Joe Ingles was averaging 7.1 points, 3.2 rebounds, and 2.7 assists per game for the Utah Jazz. He had just entered the starting rotation after coming off the bench for the Utah Jazz as their sixth man.

He was their 4th best player and should have been starting long before. Too bad he didn't go to Duke

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The reason for that is if Utah wants to try to angle for Mike Conley—or another significant trade target—and decides they do not want to give up Favors in the process, the only way to avoid that is to offer Joe Ingles and/or Dante Exum as the vehicle(s). This is the consequence of failing to use the expiring contracts of Ricky Rubio, Thabo Sefolosha, and Ekpe Udoh as collateral before the trade deadline.

no one is taking Dante. Still amazed that Memphis wanted him. Probably cost their GM his job
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